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Old Feb 14, 2006 | 12:44 AM
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I'm running the MS3 and 3.42s, and while it is nasty from a roll, getting off of a stoplight is stressful on the drivetrain.

I'll be going with a 9"/4.11 setup in the upcoming weeks.
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Old Feb 14, 2006 | 12:56 AM
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woah 106k and new cam....that's impressive. I do plan on doing the oil pump/push rods/ springs, etc. Alot of you guys don't agree with the SLP headers. The reason I'm going with them is because where I live emissions are an issue....although the magic stick cam definately won't pass the smog test, I'd at least like to have the outward appearance of being law abiding. (i.e. having cats) The SLP headers can be ordered from LS1Speed.com with cats, y pipe, and install kit for 1200 bucks. seems like a pretty good deal to me. If I lived in a state where no emissions were needed, I'd definately go with some hookers or QTP headers with dual dynomax resonators and axle dumps.
If you live in CA long tubes are illegal even if you have all the smog setup fyi
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Old Feb 14, 2006 | 09:01 AM
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i just put the MS3 in my car. i havent got to crank it up yet the springs are being put on as we speak. but i was wondering how much of a lope this cam has.i have seen th trrm8ter video. but i know its different in person. how is it compared to the F14? also i did the LS6 intake swap to and Jeff at CAM is going to do the tune and everybody is saying 410-420rwhp is that true?
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Old Feb 26, 2006 | 02:53 PM
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I have been also considering the MS3, and driving it to RevExtreme for a Dynotune. But still using my 3.42s for now. When i do get the money for a rear end i was considering a 12-bolt because i want to keep my ABS and TCS. And going with a 4.30 or maybe even a 4.56 considering lately i have been looking at alot of all motor set-ups, unlike before i was looking at maybe nitrous or turbo set-up.
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Old Feb 26, 2006 | 03:05 PM
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I am planning on doing the MS3 as well. It seems like it is alot more streetable than other cams of its size and makes alot of power up top..

(Everyone races from a roll out here...)

I also already have the 4.10s which IMO is the only way to go on an M6 car.
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Old Feb 26, 2006 | 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by SouthFL.02.SS
Another vote for QTP's and no SLP's. I can't believe I overlooked that.
Yeah, where were you when I bought my SLP's?

Good power and sound, but they hang wayyyyyy too low.

There's also a 233/239 (I thought it was by TSP...) that someone recommended to me for great power range, but I haven't decided. I was looking at the two cams in the original post plus the F14... I don't have to decide until the heads are done and we see the flow numbers. I think they'll all make great top end numbers, but I want a good tall (400's), smooth torque curve.
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Old Feb 26, 2006 | 03:18 PM
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Another vote for the MS3. I have had mine for over a year just be ready to switch out some springs. I have been through 3 sets of patriot .650 dual since the install. Drives good, and pulls all the way after stall point. But i'm a th400/ 4000stall.
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Old Feb 26, 2006 | 04:15 PM
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How often do you have to do the valve springs?
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Old Feb 26, 2006 | 05:13 PM
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Another MS3 vote here. I love this cam and just as everyone else has said it pulls verry hard up top.
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Old Feb 26, 2006 | 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by BURN'EM
Another vote for the MS3. I have had mine for over a year just be ready to switch out some springs. I have been through 3 sets of patriot .650 dual since the install. Drives good, and pulls all the way after stall point. But i'm a th400/ 4000stall.
how long you had it over a year?
3 sets of springs is insane.
something is wrong, IMO.
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Old Feb 27, 2006 | 12:37 AM
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Will this cam work with aftermarket heads without flycutting?
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Old Feb 27, 2006 | 01:23 AM
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it will depend on the head, and how much you mill it down. The ETP, AFR, Dart will clear i konw that.
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Old Feb 27, 2006 | 09:00 AM
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I have the 231/237 right now and its great. Car runs strong and pulls up top ,but looking to switch for the MS3 here pretty soon so my vote goes for the MS3 also.
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Old Feb 28, 2006 | 12:33 AM
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Another vote for the MS3. Bad *** cam.
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Old Feb 28, 2006 | 05:07 AM
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Originally Posted by SouthFL.02.SS
And ditto what LSmokin1 said about 3.42's not being enough for the 231/237. You'd need a 4.10 back there.
I run stock ratio on my cam.... yeah, you will want it.
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Old Feb 28, 2006 | 11:06 AM
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another vote for the tsp 231/237. I have 3.73's and I like that better than 4.10's. Just replace all the usual parts and get a good tune. I dont know much about the MS3 other than for a street car I think you will miss the low end tq, I know even with my cam I wish I had more low end tq. You could always look into the F13, its similiar but with better low end and mid range.
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