ms3 in stock ws6?
Originally Posted by walker94z28
big stall, 3.73 or 4.10 and a tune. might think about true duals
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whats why im wanting to know, the point of this was finding what all for sure the supporting mods were, i have no idea, and im doing all it then doing the cam at the end of summer
i had to specifically say ms3 cuz its the biggest im looking at and if i do all the supporting mods ill be good for sure
when i just say supporting mods for cam it seems like i get a bunch of opinions and dont end up w/ an answer
i had to specifically say ms3 cuz its the biggest im looking at and if i do all the supporting mods ill be good for sure
when i just say supporting mods for cam it seems like i get a bunch of opinions and dont end up w/ an answer
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Anyhow, you should have these before you put that cam in:
1. LS6 intake or better (you already have the LS6)
2. Ported Throttle body, that's cheaper than buying a fancy new one. Since you're on a budget I'd stay with your stock LS6 and a proted TB
3. Uprgarde your wires to some 10.4 Taylors and might as well swap plugs, Iridium NGK's would be nice, I run the TR55IX
4. Long Tube headers....on a budget get Pacesetters, they seem popular, some Edelbrock Victor Jr. might do the trick too....make sure you get the coated ones. If you have more money, go Stainless.....your choices would be Kooks, QTP, Stainless Works, or Dynatech. I have the Stainless Works personally, they are the only ones with a 2.5" Y pipe which helped me not lose torque since I didn't do gears yet.
5. Some sort of good catback, lots of choices there, all depends on your budget.
6. Lower control arms and a torque arm should be on the list for suspension mods along with subframe connectors.
7. Pulley....it would be silly to take the stocker off and put it back on, might as well upgrade, you will also need new belts. You'd do this when you're ready for your cam install.
8. Gears, definitely needed with a MS3, 4.10s should do the trick. Of course, your stock 10 bolt will not last too long if you put slicks on that thing and do some hard launches.
9. Oil pump is optional. You have the new and better design, the only improvement possible on that one would be to port it. I don't think you need one though.
That's about all I can think of right now, I am sure the others will chime in with more suggestions.
1. LS6 intake or better (you already have the LS6)
2. Ported Throttle body, that's cheaper than buying a fancy new one. Since you're on a budget I'd stay with your stock LS6 and a proted TB
3. Uprgarde your wires to some 10.4 Taylors and might as well swap plugs, Iridium NGK's would be nice, I run the TR55IX
4. Long Tube headers....on a budget get Pacesetters, they seem popular, some Edelbrock Victor Jr. might do the trick too....make sure you get the coated ones. If you have more money, go Stainless.....your choices would be Kooks, QTP, Stainless Works, or Dynatech. I have the Stainless Works personally, they are the only ones with a 2.5" Y pipe which helped me not lose torque since I didn't do gears yet.
5. Some sort of good catback, lots of choices there, all depends on your budget.
6. Lower control arms and a torque arm should be on the list for suspension mods along with subframe connectors.
7. Pulley....it would be silly to take the stocker off and put it back on, might as well upgrade, you will also need new belts. You'd do this when you're ready for your cam install.
8. Gears, definitely needed with a MS3, 4.10s should do the trick. Of course, your stock 10 bolt will not last too long if you put slicks on that thing and do some hard launches.
9. Oil pump is optional. You have the new and better design, the only improvement possible on that one would be to port it. I don't think you need one though.
That's about all I can think of right now, I am sure the others will chime in with more suggestions.
The gears will make the car much easier to drive. When you go with a cam as big as the MS3, you loose low end torque which will make the car a bitch to drive because it will probably buck (especially untuned) and just feel like a dog down low. The gears will get you into the right rpm band much quicker making the car much better to drive. You will need gears....there's almost no way around that.
The TB, wires, plugs, and tb are all optional "might as well do it while you're in there" items that help maximized the gains from the cam. I'd definitely at least do the tb, and plugs and wires that cost that much. It is advisabeable to take the plugs out when you do the headers to have more room and eliminate the risk of knocking them off when you try to wrestle the headers in there.
Manny
The TB, wires, plugs, and tb are all optional "might as well do it while you're in there" items that help maximized the gains from the cam. I'd definitely at least do the tb, and plugs and wires that cost that much. It is advisabeable to take the plugs out when you do the headers to have more room and eliminate the risk of knocking them off when you try to wrestle the headers in there.
Manny
Originally Posted by jwhert
the pulley and ported tb, and wires, is all of that neccessary for street use, or is it all just for max power at the strip
I realize I am giving up alot of power by not having the Ported TB and ls6 intake, but I got the parts almost all used for good prices so i got them as i could. My car is going in for tuning tomorrow so ill have numbers later but I can tell you my car is fast as hell, you dont need all the bolt ons before you do a cam, but they complement each other really well.
oh yea I forgot to say, I would definitely do some headers and ORY first with atleast a cutout if not a catback. also definitely get 4.10s first as well.
my mods are:
Lid & filter
Catback w/cutout
Jet Hot LTs w/ORY
short throw shifter
4.10s
Futral F14 (232/234 .595/.598 112LSA)
and for a BARE minimum when you do the cam swap you need:
Some dual springs for a cam with that much lift (I run PRC duals they are a great spring for an even better price) and a set of hardened pushrods
my mods are:
Lid & filter
Catback w/cutout
Jet Hot LTs w/ORY
short throw shifter
4.10s
Futral F14 (232/234 .595/.598 112LSA)
and for a BARE minimum when you do the cam swap you need:
Some dual springs for a cam with that much lift (I run PRC duals they are a great spring for an even better price) and a set of hardened pushrods
yea man i have the MS3 in my car i have all bolt-ons, but i had to change to the LS6 intake i have a 2000. but you need 4.10s i know they help out alot. the car is a dog sown low but when you get the rpms up it hauls A** you will love it, just make sure you do all the right mods before to get the most power. but as for the suspension mine is stock and i dont have no traction so consider doing that close after you put in the cam.