My cam'd LS1 at idle
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Originally Posted by casey02ws6
No cats 
Thats why it sounds so good. 
....lots of people think cat's help sound for GMMG and some cams. I certainly do not like them at all. 
Originally Posted by Azrael
Your car definately sounds nice! Looks like she put down good numbers. I am having a problem of recording our car because the cam keeps overloading our camera's microphone and washing out the sound, but it sounds close to yours (although we have the X1 not the C1).
Originally Posted by BigDaddyBry
See post #7
Is that supposed to help me? He said that more duration as well is idle speed play a factor. I mentioned that the 224 has more duration in my post. I've heard the 224 with a low idle and it still doesn't sound as tough as that cam. That's why I said there must be more involved than the duration at .050. Both cams have XE lobes as well, if I'm not mistaken.
I'm the guy that tuned his car. His car sounds amazing in person, most people think it's a much bigger cam than what it really is. The drivablity is like stock until your floor it! Timing is at 28 degrees and A/F is at 12.5-12.7
Mr Casey just needs a new clutch so it won't slip at the track.
In case some were wondering, those wavy lines at the beginning of the runs were caused by the dyno drums not locking up correctly, dyno has been fixed since then. They can unlock the drums so they can dyno bikes.
Mr Casey just needs a new clutch so it won't slip at the track.
In case some were wondering, those wavy lines at the beginning of the runs were caused by the dyno drums not locking up correctly, dyno has been fixed since then. They can unlock the drums so they can dyno bikes.
New clutch or more bling - I am in the same boat as you!
As an aside - Bill did tune my car and I could not be happier with the tune. I think if I wanted him too he could even tame the idle down to near stock - but I do not know why anyone would do that!
As an aside - Bill did tune my car and I could not be happier with the tune. I think if I wanted him too he could even tame the idle down to near stock - but I do not know why anyone would do that!
Originally Posted by Redneck Z
Is that supposed to help me? He said that more duration as well is idle speed play a factor. I mentioned that the 224 has more duration in my post. I've heard the 224 with a low idle and it still doesn't sound as tough as that cam. That's why I said there must be more involved than the duration at .050. Both cams have XE lobes as well, if I'm not mistaken.
Like Ryan02SS pointed out, you are mistaken, the lobes of the two cams are different.
And to answer your question: Yes.
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Verdad Gallardo I thought I was the only one that thought this cam sounds bigger than it is! How many of you have heard the Hot Cam? I know there are far better cams out there now but the idle on that cam is really nasty too! I guess the moral of the story is you do not have to go big (MS3, T-Rex, etc) to have the idle you are looking for.
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Do any of you guys know what is overlap???
That is what makes a cam lope. Not the size of the cam.
In addition to that, idle speed and type of exhaust used.
The 222 112 has a -2* overlap
The 224 112 has a 0* overlap
So the 224 112 should lope more
Comprende amigos
That is what makes a cam lope. Not the size of the cam.
In addition to that, idle speed and type of exhaust used.
The 222 112 has a -2* overlap
The 224 112 has a 0* overlap
So the 224 112 should lope more
Comprende amigos
Last edited by PREDATOR-Z; Mar 13, 2006 at 11:11 AM. Reason: reasoning like a idiot, sorry :emb:
i want that idle,but i am building a 370 6.0 motor so i think the idle quality will smooth out.i would like to hear that car in person.ashland,ky is my hometown and only about 2 hours away from you.was the video with car warmed up?
It was warmed up. I live just north of Columbus, OH and if you are up in this area I would be glad to show it to you. I should have it up and running again by next weekend (I have the motor apart for some "cosmetic work"). Our club here meets the 2nd Saturday of every month - if you time it right and the weather is good you can hear multiple set-ups at a time!
Originally Posted by casey02ws6
I thought I was the only one that thought this cam sounds bigger than it is! How many of you have heard the Hot Cam? I know there are far better cams out there now but the idle on that cam is really nasty too! I guess the moral of the story is you do not have to go big (MS3, T-Rex, etc) to have the idle you are looking for.
There is more info on overlap in the sticky: https://ls1tech.com/forums/generation-iii-internal-engine/327734-cam-guide.html
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thanks casey.as you may know,my cars will run carbs.69 firebird and i have decided to run ls1 in my 70 camaro.my 69 will run 6.0 with .030 overbore.camaro will all aluminum ls1.the cars in the vids are awesome.nice to see some rice getting it!
Originally Posted by PREDATOR-Z
Do any of you guys know what is overlap???
That is what makes a cam lope. Not the size of the cam.
In addition to that, idle speed and type of exhaust used.
The 222 112 has a +2* overlap
The 224 112 has a 0* overlap
So the 222 will lope more
Comprende amigos
That is what makes a cam lope. Not the size of the cam.
In addition to that, idle speed and type of exhaust used.
The 222 112 has a +2* overlap
The 224 112 has a 0* overlap
So the 222 will lope more
Comprende amigos
Are my calculations wrong? I've got O* overlap for the 224 112, and -2* overlap for the 222 112. This is why I thought the 224 would lope more.
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Originally Posted by Redneck Z
Are my calculations wrong? I've got O* overlap for the 224 112, and -2* overlap for the 222 112. This is why I thought the 224 would lope more.
Overlap = (int DUR + exht DUR)/2 - (2x LSA)
So it is -2
I meant 2* on the negative side LOL
So, cams with positive values have more overlap and therefore lope more.
Now the tempo of the lope will be affected by the type of lobe used and amount of duration used.
Like a XE-R lope of x amount of overlap will sound more nervous than an XE lope of the same x amount of overlap.
Thanks for catching that Redneck.
My post is corrected.
Last edited by PREDATOR-Z; Mar 13, 2006 at 11:02 AM.
Originally Posted by PREDATOR-Z
Yeah your correct,
So, cams with negative values have more overlap and therefore lope more.
So, cams with negative values have more overlap and therefore lope more.
According to the Cam sticky, as overlap pertains to emissions:
"If you have the sniffer for emissions either go with the cam of your choice and pray you find a good enough tuner and have luck on your side or choose a smog friendly grind. Keep the overlap in check, the more negative overlap @ .050 the easier it will be to pass."
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Originally Posted by BigDaddyBry
I thought the more negative it was, the less lope it will have because there is less overlap (when compared to a 0 or + value for overlap)? For example, a TR224 on 114lsa has -4* overlap, compared to a 112lsa with 0*.
According to the Cam sticky, as overlap pertains to emissions:
"If you have the sniffer for emissions either go with the cam of your choice and pray you find a good enough tuner and have luck on your side or choose a smog friendly grind. Keep the overlap in check, the more negative overlap @ .050 the easier it will be to pass."
According to the Cam sticky, as overlap pertains to emissions:
"If you have the sniffer for emissions either go with the cam of your choice and pray you find a good enough tuner and have luck on your side or choose a smog friendly grind. Keep the overlap in check, the more negative overlap @ .050 the easier it will be to pass."
I must be high or something
Too much work I guess, I commenting like a novice.
Where can I hide ??? Please slap me so I can wake up !!!!!
I'm gonna read all of this again and correct my HUUUUUUge mistakes.
Sorry. My humblest apologies...
Last edited by PREDATOR-Z; Mar 13, 2006 at 11:16 AM.