Damage Update
I'd rebuild the stock block using the stock crank, forged rods and pistons, and add a D1 Procharger to the mix. So much potential. There are people that get good life out of the stock crank. GMHTP magazine showcased a Camaro making 850! 
rwhp with the stock crank and forged rods/pistons. He's got tons of miles on the car. It's not a showqueen.Or... why not just put a 4" stoke crank when you rebuild? And boost it?
I'm saving right now for a D1 kit. All motor mods < Procharger D1.
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Going FI will cost me as much as going 402 longblock with all the goodies.
That still leaves me with the need of a new tranny, and rear diff.
All I want is a 10 second car, mostly Track.
I'm still getting some crazy ideas BTW
Come on Monday
That still leaves me with the need of a new tranny, and rear diff.
All I want is a 10 second car, mostly Track.
I'm still getting some crazy ideas BTW
Come on Monday
You mentioned it would cost the same. But it would have way more potential than that 408 would. You want 10's and all, but that won't satisfy you forever, everyone wants more. It's human, plus supercharger whine is so !@#$ing mean!
It's like having nitrous that never runs out. Imagine the SAVINGS.
It's like having nitrous that never runs out. Imagine the SAVINGS.
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Originally Posted by PREDATOR-Z
Well after 2 double Jack D's on the rocks and some scribble on a bar napkin, I came to the conclusion that stock cubes it is (within budget), not to mention I need to do this within the next 30 days.
347
Callies crank
callies rods
Mahle flat tops with 4cc reliefs.
Rollmaster double roller (have on the shelf)
New ported pump
Now for cam, the TSP trqr V2 was great, but I'm tempted to put a bigger one in.
Maybe a MS3 ? still debating on that one.
Also looking at a TH350 MFVB with a new verter (something BIG)
and of course a 12 bolt ( to keep my ABS)
But first the block! I do not like Sundays when I have to buy something!
347
Callies crank
callies rods
Mahle flat tops with 4cc reliefs.
Rollmaster double roller (have on the shelf)
New ported pump
Now for cam, the TSP trqr V2 was great, but I'm tempted to put a bigger one in.
Maybe a MS3 ? still debating on that one.
Also looking at a TH350 MFVB with a new verter (something BIG)
and of course a 12 bolt ( to keep my ABS)
But first the block! I do not like Sundays when I have to buy something!
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Originally Posted by tru_ice
Any other symptoms other than the white smoke? Anything sound differently?
Just trying to get an idea where I'm at.
Just trying to get an idea where I'm at.
Originally Posted by c0ncEpT
I say stay stock cubes, Forge everything, Go with something like an ms3 and some AFR 225's and you should have a killer set up!
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Another setup, I hope i'm not boring you
6.0L iron block
3.622 factory stroke crankshaft
Manley forged 6.125" con rods
CP forged 11cc dish pistons
Federal Mogul race series rod bearings
Clevite race series main bearings
Speed Pro Plasma Moly ring set
6.0L, 59 cc Stage 3 heads
GM, MLS gasket
Cam 242/248, .610/.615 112+4 LSA
IVO>13
IVC>49
EVO>60
EVC>8
ECL>116
Overlap>21*
This would be an ~11.74 SCR and ~8.56 DCR setup
Now add some juice to that Hmmmmm
347 setup would be as follow:
Callies 3.622 crank
Callie 6.125 con rods
Mahle Flat top 4 cc relief pistons
AFR 205 milled 60 cc
GM MLS gasket
Cam 232/240, .595/.609 112+4 LSA
EVO>8
EVC>44
IVO>56
IVC>4
ECL>116
Overlap>12*
Setup will be ~ 11.04:1 and 8.51 DCR
Some juice over that Hmmmmm
I think my brain is rattling more than my blown motor
.....
The cost will be aproximately the same, but with Iron I'm looking at 92 more LBS, but I think quite a bit more trq, I could be wrong though...
6.0L iron block
3.622 factory stroke crankshaft
Manley forged 6.125" con rods
CP forged 11cc dish pistons
Federal Mogul race series rod bearings
Clevite race series main bearings
Speed Pro Plasma Moly ring set
6.0L, 59 cc Stage 3 heads
GM, MLS gasket
Cam 242/248, .610/.615 112+4 LSA
IVO>13
IVC>49
EVO>60
EVC>8
ECL>116
Overlap>21*
This would be an ~11.74 SCR and ~8.56 DCR setup
Now add some juice to that Hmmmmm
347 setup would be as follow:
Callies 3.622 crank
Callie 6.125 con rods
Mahle Flat top 4 cc relief pistons
AFR 205 milled 60 cc
GM MLS gasket
Cam 232/240, .595/.609 112+4 LSA
EVO>8
EVC>44
IVO>56
IVC>4
ECL>116
Overlap>12*
Setup will be ~ 11.04:1 and 8.51 DCR
Some juice over that Hmmmmm
I think my brain is rattling more than my blown motor
.....
The cost will be aproximately the same, but with Iron I'm looking at 92 more LBS, but I think quite a bit more trq, I could be wrong though...
Last edited by PREDATOR-Z; Mar 26, 2006 at 03:58 PM.
That sucks, sorry to hear about your misfortune. If you're looking for a short term fix, by all means go forged stock shortblock. W2W has a killer deal going on. That will be your easiest fix and have you up and running sooner.
Based on my experience going with the LS2 402, it will cost substantially more time and money for not only the shortblock, heads and cam but the supporting hardware as well (rebuilt trans, upgraded fuel system, new rearend).
Based on my experience going with the LS2 402, it will cost substantially more time and money for not only the shortblock, heads and cam but the supporting hardware as well (rebuilt trans, upgraded fuel system, new rearend).
For the 347, why not go slightly smaller on the duration and cut the LSA? It seems like the 4* advance is trying to force fit the bigger cam around your set-up. If you are keeping 3.73s and the 3200 stall, why not beef up the midrange? Maybe something like a 230/234 110 108.
alternatively with a built bottom end, switch to 4.10s and a 4000 stall and put the cam in straight up and rev a little higher.
alternatively with a built bottom end, switch to 4.10s and a 4000 stall and put the cam in straight up and rev a little higher.
Join the club.... Sorry to hear about your engine, but if your buying a crank it would be crazy NOT to go with a 4" stroke. A 383 can be a very effective package with the right heads, cam, and other complimenting goodies.
Dont spend money to get back to where you were....spend a little more and step to the next level.
Just my .02.....Good luck whatever you decide
Regards,
Tony
Dont spend money to get back to where you were....spend a little more and step to the next level.
Just my .02.....Good luck whatever you decide
Regards,
Tony
Originally Posted by FIREHAWK#608
What? 
boosted forged 346,382 > N/A 408
boosted forged 346,382 > N/A 408
If I were in his shoes I would buy the 4in crank and do the 383.. Price is just a few hundred more and the power is greater..
Sorry to hear about the damage man. I know you are torn between disgust(blown engine) and excitement over the future. Personally Id go with a 402/408 setup from one of the vendors. TSP has a forged 402 shortblock for 3995...hard to beat that price. Pick up some AFR, or Dart heads and rip it up! I think you would be happier if you upgrade and not stay stock cubes I know I would.... 
Personally Id go with a 402/408 setup from one of the vendors. TSP has a forged 402 shortblock for 3995...hard to beat that price. Pick up some AFR, or Dart heads and rip it up! I think you would be happier if you upgrade and not stay stock cubes I know I would....