Torque coming out of my EARS! (cam change)
Originally Posted by Ric
Okay, I'm gonna swallow my foot on this one... When y'all say XER or LSK lobes, what exactly does that mean? Brand name, different company grinds, WTF???
If I'm not mistaken, in most cases--if not every case--a more aggressive lobe will provide more power "under the curve" (or average power), even though the least aggressive lobe could provide the same peak power as the most aggressive lobe. The tradeoff for using a more aggressive lobe is the potential for accelerated valvetrain wear.
That's my understanding, though it may be erred.
Josh
Its the ramp rate or rate at which the valve opens. The XE lobes would be like 59, a XER would be 49, a LSK would be the same initial ramp but open faster and further in the middle of the lobe. Yes they kill springs rather fast and you should be aware that a yearly or 2 yr spring change is in order to control valves. If longevity is a concern than don't use them. No one discussing such power upgrades is suggesting that they are reliable along those lines.
Long ago, the XER lobes were slammed for the required spring pressure and springs were breaking but now XER's are daily driver lobes with current awesome spring technology and dual springs for safety. Some guys complained that 10k from a spring back then was asking a lot. Now its a new ballgame in that you can get a .650" lift and run it a long time with a crazy lobe. Using LSK lobes is a spring wear issue but not exaclty a spring breaking issue with current available springs. Expect to have to use shimmed 921's or crane 832's and if you are near limit coil bind, having to change them when they lose seat pressure.
Long ago, the XER lobes were slammed for the required spring pressure and springs were breaking but now XER's are daily driver lobes with current awesome spring technology and dual springs for safety. Some guys complained that 10k from a spring back then was asking a lot. Now its a new ballgame in that you can get a .650" lift and run it a long time with a crazy lobe. Using LSK lobes is a spring wear issue but not exaclty a spring breaking issue with current available springs. Expect to have to use shimmed 921's or crane 832's and if you are near limit coil bind, having to change them when they lose seat pressure.
There is another Comp cam lobe too..it is the XFI lobe which is between the XER and the LSK in lift...it might be an alternative for those who are not wanting to go to the higher lift of the LSK lobe..
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Originally Posted by slt200mph
There is another Comp cam lobe too..it is the XFI lobe which is between the XER and the LSK in lift...it might be an alternative for those who are not wanting to go to the higher lift of the LSK lobe.. 

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2013 Corvette Grand Sport A6 LME forged 416, Greg Good ported TFS 255 LS3 heads, 222/242 .629"/.604" 121LSA Pat G blower cam, ARH 1 7/8" headers, ESC Novi 1500 Supercharger w/8 rib direct drive conversion, 747rwhp/709rwtq on 93 octane, 801rwhp/735rwtq on race fuel, 10.1 @ 147.25mph 1/4 mile, 174.7mph Half Mile.
2016 Corvette Z51 M7 Magnuson Heartbeat 2300 supercharger, TSP LT headers, Pat G tuned, 667rwhp, 662rwtq, 191mph TX Mile.
2009.5 Pontiac G8 GT 6.0L, A6, AFR 230v2 heads. 506rwhp/442rwtq. 11.413 @ 121.29mph 1/4 mile, 168.7mph TX Mile
2000 Pewter Ram Air Trans Am M6 heads/cam 508 rwhp/445 rwtq SAE, 183.092 TX Mile
2022 Cadillac Escalade 6.2L A10 S&B CAI, Corsa catback.
2023 Corvette 3LT Z51 soon to be modified.
Custom LSX tuning in person or via email press here.
Originally Posted by Spinmonster
Its the ramp rate or rate at which the valve opens. The XE lobes would be like 59, a XER would be 49, a LSK would be the same initial ramp but open faster and further in the middle of the lobe. Yes they kill springs rather fast and you should be aware that a yearly or 2 yr spring change is in order to control valves. If longevity is a concern than don't use them. No one discussing such power upgrades is suggesting that they are reliable along those lines.
Long ago, the XER lobes were slammed for the required spring pressure and springs were breaking but now XER's are daily driver lobes with current awesome spring technology and dual springs for safety. Some guys complained that 10k from a spring back then was asking a lot. Now its a new ballgame in that you can get a .650" lift and run it a long time with a crazy lobe. Using LSK lobes is a spring wear issue but not exaclty a spring breaking issue with current available springs. Expect to have to use shimmed 921's or crane 832's and if you are near limit coil bind, having to change them when they lose seat pressure.
Long ago, the XER lobes were slammed for the required spring pressure and springs were breaking but now XER's are daily driver lobes with current awesome spring technology and dual springs for safety. Some guys complained that 10k from a spring back then was asking a lot. Now its a new ballgame in that you can get a .650" lift and run it a long time with a crazy lobe. Using LSK lobes is a spring wear issue but not exaclty a spring breaking issue with current available springs. Expect to have to use shimmed 921's or crane 832's and if you are near limit coil bind, having to change them when they lose seat pressure.
Originally Posted by Patrick G
Now let's say you want to bring up the DCR of the 114 LSA cam to match that of the 110 LSA cam you advance it 4 degrees. Look at what happens:
IVC 42 degrees ABDC (power peak at 6200 rpm)
EVO 52 degrees BBDC (shorter power stroke, softer on torque)
Overlap biased 3 degree to the exhaust side of TDC (will fall off past peak power much quicker)
8.86 DCR (very high)
IVC 42 degrees ABDC (power peak at 6200 rpm)
EVO 52 degrees BBDC (shorter power stroke, softer on torque)
Overlap biased 3 degree to the exhaust side of TDC (will fall off past peak power much quicker)
8.86 DCR (very high)
You get this dynoed yet?
My heads are about done so if you dont hurry up I might have to slap my heads on and throw my cam in real quick for some dyno numbers.
BTW I was looking for the XFI stuff a few weeks ago and couldn't find it.
Toss me a link if you have one real quick, other wise I will just look again.
Maybe my eyes weren't doing a good job that day.
IMO if comp has enough different XFI grinds this will become very popular very quickly.
You will have almost all the benifits of the LSK stuff w/o quite as much wear on the springs.
My heads are about done so if you dont hurry up I might have to slap my heads on and throw my cam in real quick for some dyno numbers.
BTW I was looking for the XFI stuff a few weeks ago and couldn't find it.
Toss me a link if you have one real quick, other wise I will just look again.
Maybe my eyes weren't doing a good job that day.
IMO if comp has enough different XFI grinds this will become very popular very quickly.
You will have almost all the benifits of the LSK stuff w/o quite as much wear on the springs.
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Originally Posted by JZ'sTA
You get this dynoed yet?
The closest chassis dyno is 2 hours away from me so it just hasn't been convenient with all my work lately. The vast logging I've done indicates strong boost in torque from 2000-4500 and comparable power at higher rpm. Just the ticket for road racing and tight autocross courses.
Sorry to hear about your mishap..in Georgia they are everywhere..I had to go down in a ditch to keep from hiting two of them back last September. The policeman that did the accident repot said that he has at least one a week deer vehicle incident..I hit a deer in a Vette back in 68 and the car was in the body shop for a while...they had to put a whole front end on it..on top of that the deer came in through the windshield..if I had not ducked he would have possibly killed me too..we are all dying to see the dyno results on your cam...Glad to hear that your are all right..they can always fix the car..keep us posted..
OUCH.
I have seen like 1 deer in fla my whole life.
I do however remember taking a road trip with my X to her parents house in PA.
We were like 3-4 miles for her house and it was late at night.
I was driving.
Out of nowhere I saw a deer, and being from Florida I.........................
Said look honey a deer, and just kept driving.
3 seconds later SHE (my x old lady) hit me and said you stupid *** your lucky he didn't run out infront of us. You should have slowed down....
OOPS.
Sorry that happened.
Hope all goes well in geting her fixed back up.
Hey you have a link to the XFI stuff?
Also I changed my cam a little bit for my own wants.
Its in the sig.
I have seen like 1 deer in fla my whole life.
I do however remember taking a road trip with my X to her parents house in PA.
We were like 3-4 miles for her house and it was late at night.
I was driving.
Out of nowhere I saw a deer, and being from Florida I.........................
Said look honey a deer, and just kept driving.
3 seconds later SHE (my x old lady) hit me and said you stupid *** your lucky he didn't run out infront of us. You should have slowed down....
OOPS.
Sorry that happened.
Hope all goes well in geting her fixed back up.
Hey you have a link to the XFI stuff?
Also I changed my cam a little bit for my own wants.
Its in the sig.
Last edited by JZ'sTA; Apr 22, 2006 at 02:40 PM.
Hi Patrick
Glad to hear you are ok, my dad had a similar misadventure some years ago, it went pretty bad and the car was destroy plus bad insurance....
No physical damage is coming first, on this point it's going well, your jewel is going to be repaired, and it seems that your # are going to be strong.
All the best
Christian
Glad to hear you are ok, my dad had a similar misadventure some years ago, it went pretty bad and the car was destroy plus bad insurance....
No physical damage is coming first, on this point it's going well, your jewel is going to be repaired, and it seems that your # are going to be strong.
All the best
Christian
Last edited by miami993c297; Apr 22, 2006 at 03:58 PM.
When choosing a cam for a FI setup wouldn't too much DCR prevent running more timing? I can see it making more power if running race gas, but what DCR would be ideal for a pump gas setup.
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Originally Posted by LSs1Power
When choosing a cam for a FI setup wouldn't too much DCR prevent running more timing? I can see it making more power if running race gas, but what DCR would be ideal for a pump gas setup.
Originally Posted by Proud2bSS
Okay......
So if a guy wanted this same cam, what's it gonna cost to have TR grind another one?
So if a guy wanted this same cam, what's it gonna cost to have TR grind another one?






