Seems like bad business practice to me. 
MS3 Dyno #'s dissapoint...
i agree that he has a bad combo...but wouldn't his present combo give higher dyno readings than say...a 373 car + 4k stall?
362 is low for an ms3 car, even through a stalled automatic. take it to the track for verification before you throw any more money at it.
362 is low for an ms3 car, even through a stalled automatic. take it to the track for verification before you throw any more money at it.
ok first of all the stall is fine the car has a pretty broad power band & pulls as hard at 5500 as it does at 6500 and when the car shifts the rpms never go below 5000 as for the springs I asked for duals, thats what I thought was going in, then I got it back and discovered they put in 918's what am I supposed to do take it back and tell them to put in duals and not pay for it? They said the duals were on back order and there rep called comp and comp[ said they were good up to 625 lift and will be fine. thats what I was told when i called up the manager. How am I supposed to argue that?
Also it made peak TQ at 4750rpm a whole whopping 330ft/lb, and it was on a dyno jet. the power band is actualy very broad. feels flat too doesnt really get vilont up top or anything...as for posting the graph I have no idea how but it was E-mailed to me. my cpu is down with a virus so im using my old 1995 compaq right now (dinosaur) so I dont even know if I could up load it.The spring thing is really starting to bug me though. I thin I should be able to take the car back make them put in the right springs and only have to pay the extra cost of the duals over what they put in. duals were 249 they charged me 169 for 918's so like $80 or what ever but like that will happen. what should i do it isnt like they even ok'ed it with me they did not even tell me till I caught it once I got home (over 50 miles away)? sorry for the long post im done blowing a head gasket now.
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secondly, 918's are NOT a good spring choice for that cam[/QUOTE]
I agree b/c 918s are for more mild cams under .600 lift and your cam is BIG and you need at least a nice dual spring like the PATRIOT GOLDS!!!
I agree b/c 918s are for more mild cams under .600 lift and your cam is BIG and you need at least a nice dual spring like the PATRIOT GOLDS!!!
Originally Posted by cantdrv65
That cam is WAY too big for your application.... Believe or not but you'd make more power with a smaller cam which provides a higher DCR.
So you think i'd make more power or be faster with say a 23x/23x cam?
Future plans do include 410' and probably ls6 heads.I've always heard nothing but good about the MS3 cam...?
I also talked to the mgr at speed inc today he said "there was no valve float or coil bind"
and gave me the name if the guy at cc who said the springs were ok for the application
with out shimming them, I guess there limit is .625 lift.
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wow. 2,73's a big cam and a 3500 converter? Not good. I would change the gears,get a 4000+ stall and shot for the 11's. Dynos mean nothing in an A4. I have seen 350rwhp beat m6's with 400rwhp.
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Originally Posted by foff667
stop trying to dyno race your auto.
I made 360hp/300tq on a Mustang Dyno with my 3800 converter/3.42 gears with the MS3. I just raced a H/C LS1 with a magnacharger on it, in a Malibu and beat him. Dynos are for tuning, that's it. Put a tire on it and take it to the track.
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I'm thinking of going with the ms3 or possibly one of the cheatr cams, please tell me how this would size up?
I do ALOT of street racing and currently have a baby hot cam in the car, but I'm going with a 3500 non locking converter with a turbo 400, keeping the 3:23's and spraying the **** out of the car as well. I'm keeping the 3:23's as the car get driven a few miles to work daily and the track is far, I'm going to run a 27-28" tall tire and the car is a 2002 camaro.
Prior set up was a th350 in my 00' with a 3300 converter with a comp cam .228 .236 .588 .601 on 114, untuned went 10.80@129 and made a basline of 200rwhp on the motor lol, once tuned it made 380rwhp through slicks and a unlocked converter and 3:23's, made 516rwhp on 150hp jets. Never ran the car after tuning.
Will I be close to this or not close with the ms3 cam, or should I do the other trex cheatr?
Thank you in advance.
I do ALOT of street racing and currently have a baby hot cam in the car, but I'm going with a 3500 non locking converter with a turbo 400, keeping the 3:23's and spraying the **** out of the car as well. I'm keeping the 3:23's as the car get driven a few miles to work daily and the track is far, I'm going to run a 27-28" tall tire and the car is a 2002 camaro.
Prior set up was a th350 in my 00' with a 3300 converter with a comp cam .228 .236 .588 .601 on 114, untuned went 10.80@129 and made a basline of 200rwhp on the motor lol, once tuned it made 380rwhp through slicks and a unlocked converter and 3:23's, made 516rwhp on 150hp jets. Never ran the car after tuning.
Will I be close to this or not close with the ms3 cam, or should I do the other trex cheatr?
Thank you in advance.
Got Some 410 gears. Just need to get them put in along with porting the TB. Should do better on the dyno and the strip/Track with a locked converter, Ported TB and Aluminum Drice Shaft right and 410's right?
having your camshaft degreed might help out some. also, remember that having your tq-converter unlocked will make you lose an additional 10% (as opposed to having it locked).
also, remember that races are not won on a dyno, they're won on the track. get some times out of the car before you make your final judgment.
also, remember that races are not won on a dyno, they're won on the track. get some times out of the car before you make your final judgment.
once my car was tuned I made 389whp and 412tq and those springs can hurt you I had those and I kept breaking them left and right everytime I got on it. I'm using rev dual gold now.
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