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Old 04-20-2006, 03:47 PM
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I was wondering what the correct procedure is for checking this?

Is 200 psi what is considered normal?

What needs to be on/off the car when doing this? etc etc

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Spark plug needs to be removed (DOH!).

Good luck getting 200 psi!

I inject less then 40 lbs and look for uniformity across the cylinders.

If you got a leak it will show for sure.
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well I figured the spark plugs...OBVIOUSLY

Can they all be out? what about the exhaust? can it be off of the car?

I am not doing a leak down test...I have a screw in pressure gauge that goes into the spark plug holes to check for cranking compression.

I was wondering what the proper technique was and what kind of pressure I should be showing.

I thought around 200 psi was considered good.
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I was KIDDING about the spark plug (ergo the "DOH").

If you are checking compression, you can look up some values, but the main thing if uniformity across the # of cylinders.

Doesn't matter wether exhaust or intake is connected.

All your doing is checking how well your valves are seating and if the leakage past the rings is ok.

I would remove all the plugs as it makes it easier to turn over.

Hope that helps
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I knew you were kidding...no biggie

I was gonna do it before I got the car back together after the h/c swap.

I should turn it over with the starter 4 or 5 times and take the highest reading? Take out the fuel pump fuse etc? all plugs out and exhaust off (makes it easier)

this sound ok?

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When I was running 8.34 dynamic compression, I got 200 psi.

With my current cam (in signature), my DCR is 8.78:1 and my cranking psi is 245!
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Yeah, you don't need to dump fuel into it while your taking data.
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my dcr is going to be about 8.66 from my calculations.

SO I should be about 240psi if my rings are tight.

I guess we will see.
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Thats wierd as hell, my 5.0 got 150 psi on all cylinders and I have 10.5:1 comp but I do have 4* valve overlap. Most stock 5.0's get 130-160psi. What is with these insane #'s you LS1 guys get?
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10.5:1 is your static compression ratio, they were refering to Dynamic Compression Ratio, so they are actually running more compression than you are. There are a lot of variable that effect DCR but they are probably in the neighborhood of 11.xx SCR.
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still dont understand, your LS1 has 10.25:1 from the factory. I have 10.5:1 why do i get 150psi from a compression check and you guys get 200+ ? Before you say mine is worn out, its new block, pistons, rings, heads, etc. and i was withing 5psi on all cylinders. *confused*
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so what does it mean when you #1 and #3 hit 245 -250 but all others hit 190-200?
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Originally Posted by Stanger88
still dont understand, your LS1 has 10.25:1 from the factory. I have 10.5:1 why do i get 150psi from a compression check and you guys get 200+ ? Before you say mine is worn out, its new block, pistons, rings, heads, etc. and i was withing 5psi on all cylinders. *confused*
200+ psi is not from a stock compression 10.25:1 motor. The people posting and discussing on this thread are running 11:1 or higher static compression. A stock LS1 should see lower psi readings. It has to do with the overlap of the cam, thickness of the headgasket, forced induction, as well as the static compression.

The other problem is that you have a Ford and are on a GM board

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Originally Posted by 4.8T
so what does it mean when you #1 and #3 hit 245 -250 but all others hit 190-200?
I think that you are not supposed to see more than a 15% variation between cylinders.
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i think it said like 20 in my book but it is for 04 trucks not 02 vettes lol. but why would they all be consistant but the two. and those two had like oil on the threads of the plugs.?
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if you see a 40PSI variation you should be worried. take a turkey juice injector (whatever you chefs call it, works for me...) and squirt some oil in the low cylinders and test again, if the #'s shoot up, if so...rings...
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what PSI is stock on an LS1??
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my book didn't say thats what i'm trying to figure out. my compression is a little higher than stock though i have the felpro .045's or what ever can't remimber the exact number but they are the thin ones lol. i could smell fuel when i done those two i was wondering if the left over fuel in the rails could have leaked passed the injectors when i was cranking over the eng because the fuel pump relay was pulled but not the injector fuses. and the fact i found oil on the two plugs that were the highest. could a valve seal leak cause oil to get in the cylinders and cause a false high reading??
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4.8, when I checked my 5.0 1 cylinder was lower than the others (135ish). I put it all back togather and cranked her over for a few minutes and then pulled THAT plug and got 135 (all plugs now in, #'s will be lower) and then pulled the highest and it had 135 as well with the other 7 plugs in. Fuel on the walls can cause loss of compression during a check.

PS. it backfired like a 12 gauge when I cranked it the nexxt time



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