Everything I need for cam?
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Originally Posted by xaon
If you are going to install new lifters, then you will need new Head Gaskets and bolts as well. The heads must be removed on these motors to replace lifters.
Other than that.. unless you already own the More Performance tool, you won't be able to purchase it. They are out of business and nobody has them in stock anymore... why they even continue to list it on their web page is beyond me.
Other than that.. unless you already own the More Performance tool, you won't be able to purchase it. They are out of business and nobody has them in stock anymore... why they even continue to list it on their web page is beyond me.
just so you know the moore tool is still available for purchase one of the former employees continues to make it for thunder racing
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Originally Posted by dnm12
is there anything else anyone would like to add? for instance the stretching of the longer bolt what is that all about?
The longer bolt is used to seat the pulley when reinstalling it. You use a new regular bolt after the pulley in seated.
I used it to remove and place the balancer back on. You dont stretch it out. You do that with the new bolt. I beleive that when you hit 240lbft you are supposed to stretch 1/4 of a turn more.
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-Crankshaft Balancer Bolt (Installation Pass-to Ensure the Balancer is Completely Installed)
=240 lb ft
-Crankshaft Balancer Bolt (First Pass-Install a NEW Bolt After the Installation Pass and Tighten as Described in the First and Final Passes)
=37 lb ft
-Crankshaft Balancer Bolt (Final Pass)
=140 degrees
So basically i take the longer bolt put washers on it and then screw down the crank pulley to 240ft/lbs and then remove the bolt place a new one on and tighten down to 37ft/lbs, then another 140º??
=240 lb ft
-Crankshaft Balancer Bolt (First Pass-Install a NEW Bolt After the Installation Pass and Tighten as Described in the First and Final Passes)
=37 lb ft
-Crankshaft Balancer Bolt (Final Pass)
=140 degrees
So basically i take the longer bolt put washers on it and then screw down the crank pulley to 240ft/lbs and then remove the bolt place a new one on and tighten down to 37ft/lbs, then another 140º??
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alright here is the update should be here by the end of the week....
-224/224 Cam with Lobe Seperation Angle=114º
-PRC Dual Springs
-Hardened chromoloy pushrods
-Titanium retainers
-Hardend Seats
-LS6 ported oil pump
-Rollmaster single roller non-adjustable timing chain
-Gasket kit
-O-ring for oil pump
-Moore Tool
-224/224 Cam with Lobe Seperation Angle=114º
-PRC Dual Springs
-Hardened chromoloy pushrods
-Titanium retainers
-Hardend Seats
-LS6 ported oil pump
-Rollmaster single roller non-adjustable timing chain
-Gasket kit
-O-ring for oil pump
-Moore Tool
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Originally Posted by dnm12
alright here is the update should be here by the end of the week....
-224/224 Cam with Lobe Seperation Angle=114º
-PRC Dual Springs
-Hardened chromoloy pushrods
-Titanium retainers
-Hardend Seats
-LS6 ported oil pump
-Rollmaster single roller non-adjustable timing chain
-Gasket kit
-O-ring for oil pump
-Moore Tool
-224/224 Cam with Lobe Seperation Angle=114º
-PRC Dual Springs
-Hardened chromoloy pushrods
-Titanium retainers
-Hardend Seats
-LS6 ported oil pump
-Rollmaster single roller non-adjustable timing chain
-Gasket kit
-O-ring for oil pump
-Moore Tool
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From: The South
Originally Posted by dnm12
do you know the part # of hand?
Originally Posted by dnm12
-Crankshaft Balancer Bolt (Installation Pass-to Ensure the Balancer is Completely Installed)
=240 lb ft
-Crankshaft Balancer Bolt (First Pass-Install a NEW Bolt After the Installation Pass and Tighten as Described in the First and Final Passes)
=37 lb ft
-Crankshaft Balancer Bolt (Final Pass)
=140 degrees
So basically i take the longer bolt put washers on it and then screw down the crank pulley to 240ft/lbs and then remove the bolt place a new one on and tighten down to 37ft/lbs, then another 140º??
=240 lb ft
-Crankshaft Balancer Bolt (First Pass-Install a NEW Bolt After the Installation Pass and Tighten as Described in the First and Final Passes)
=37 lb ft
-Crankshaft Balancer Bolt (Final Pass)
=140 degrees
So basically i take the longer bolt put washers on it and then screw down the crank pulley to 240ft/lbs and then remove the bolt place a new one on and tighten down to 37ft/lbs, then another 140º??
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Originally Posted by dnm12
what size of the longer thread bolt?? TIA
i am starting teardown tommarow!
i am starting teardown tommarow!
Does search work?
I never did get a longer bolt for my install. Wish I had, but it is doable without. Check my sig for details. I think it involved a torch....
Wish i'd have seen this thread earlier.
the moore tool is a POS, it's in my garbage. You will probably have a hell of a time with those double springs and moore tool. I sure as hell did. Problem I had was that the springs had so much pressure it was hard to hold the tool down long enough for someone to get the locks on correctly, especially if we had to do one spring more then once. Then when it gets to the back ones, you need an extention, or I did anyway on the ratchet so my buddy could fit his hands back there which make it even harder to hold because you need to hold the head of the ratchet up or you'll never get enough throw on the spring to get the retianers on. You'll see, it's a bitch. Next time get the crane, it's twice as fast and eaiser to use. the bolt takes all the stress of the springs, not your arms. Some people seem to have luck with it, but my my Patriot golds, I hated it.
Also, I'd recommend getting an aftermarket pulley. You wont need any longer bolt or anything to get the pulley on, you'll got a good 4 or 5 turns on the bolt by hand. If you do use the longer bolt method, be sure not to over tighten it. Plenty of stories on this forum of people over tightening that longer bolt and stripping the threads on the crank.
other then that everything looks good to me!
the moore tool is a POS, it's in my garbage. You will probably have a hell of a time with those double springs and moore tool. I sure as hell did. Problem I had was that the springs had so much pressure it was hard to hold the tool down long enough for someone to get the locks on correctly, especially if we had to do one spring more then once. Then when it gets to the back ones, you need an extention, or I did anyway on the ratchet so my buddy could fit his hands back there which make it even harder to hold because you need to hold the head of the ratchet up or you'll never get enough throw on the spring to get the retianers on. You'll see, it's a bitch. Next time get the crane, it's twice as fast and eaiser to use. the bolt takes all the stress of the springs, not your arms. Some people seem to have luck with it, but my my Patriot golds, I hated it.
Also, I'd recommend getting an aftermarket pulley. You wont need any longer bolt or anything to get the pulley on, you'll got a good 4 or 5 turns on the bolt by hand. If you do use the longer bolt method, be sure not to over tighten it. Plenty of stories on this forum of people over tightening that longer bolt and stripping the threads on the crank.
other then that everything looks good to me!
Originally Posted by blkZ28spt
Bumped for you.
Does search work?
I never did get a longer bolt for my install. Wish I had, but it is doable without. Check my sig for details. I think it involved a torch....
Does search work?
I never did get a longer bolt for my install. Wish I had, but it is doable without. Check my sig for details. I think it involved a torch....
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yeah it really seems that the crank bolt is going to be the biggest pain, the more tool i have heard nothing but greatness about untill the one negative thread here
Originally Posted by dnm12
yeah it really seems that the crank bolt is going to be the biggest pain, the more tool i have heard nothing but greatness about untill the one negative thread here
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthrea...ght=moore+tool
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthrea...ht=moore+sucks
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthrea...ht=moore+sucks
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthrea...ht=moore+sucks
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthrea...ht=moore+sucks
And this was just searching for "moore sucks" If I did a broader search i'm sure i'd find a lot more.
Food for thought.