Custom cam for something a little different.
Custom cam for something a little different. i am asking for help with the following cam inside a LS2 equiped Trailblazer SS.
214 .559 intake w/ 3710 lobes
220 .564 exhaust w/ 3713 lobes
ICL 109
ECL 114
LSA 111.5
-6 overlap and +2 advance ground in
i was settled on it for awhile until somebody put the numbers in a DCR calculator and told me the dynamic compression would be 8.9 which is apparently very bad for a pump gas street application. so now i am just a bit concered and confused. i already paid a $500 deposit which happens to be non-refundable from a sponser (where i am getting the cam from and tune, headers etc) the tuner happens to be on vacation now, and will not show up until the day of my appointment, so i really dont have anybody to directly go to. the shop is about 3 hours away from me, so i cant just pop up and ask some preliminary question to the tuner and change my mind all of a sudden. i just dont want my LS2 to go pop!
any insight or suggestions would be very appreciated.
thanks in advance!
todd
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214 .559 intake w/ 3710 lobes
220 .564 exhaust w/ 3713 lobes
ICL 109
ECL 114
LSA 111.5
-6 overlap and +2 advance ground in
i was settled on it for awhile until somebody put the numbers in a DCR calculator and told me the dynamic compression would be 8.9 which is apparently very bad for a pump gas street application. so now i am just a bit concered and confused. i already paid a $500 deposit which happens to be non-refundable from a sponser (where i am getting the cam from and tune, headers etc) the tuner happens to be on vacation now, and will not show up until the day of my appointment, so i really dont have anybody to directly go to. the shop is about 3 hours away from me, so i cant just pop up and ask some preliminary question to the tuner and change my mind all of a sudden. i just dont want my LS2 to go pop!
any insight or suggestions would be very appreciated.
thanks in advance!
todd
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DCR is 8.80:1
That's an excellent cam for that vehicle. Keep in mind, the LS2 does not run lots of timing and that cam will probably work nicely with close to stock timing tables. I'd keep the cam. I run around that much DCR in my TA. As long as you have 93 octane, you should be fine.
That's an excellent cam for that vehicle. Keep in mind, the LS2 does not run lots of timing and that cam will probably work nicely with close to stock timing tables. I'd keep the cam. I run around that much DCR in my TA. As long as you have 93 octane, you should be fine.
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2013 Corvette Grand Sport A6 LME forged 416, Greg Good ported TFS 255 LS3 heads, 222/242 .629"/.604" 121LSA Pat G blower cam, ARH 1 7/8" headers, ESC Novi 1500 Supercharger w/8 rib direct drive conversion, 747rwhp/709rwtq on 93 octane, 801rwhp/735rwtq on race fuel, 10.1 @ 147.25mph 1/4 mile, 174.7mph Half Mile.
2016 Corvette Z51 M7 Magnuson Heartbeat 2300 supercharger, TSP LT headers, Pat G tuned, 667rwhp, 662rwtq, 191mph TX Mile.
2009.5 Pontiac G8 GT 6.0L, A6, AFR 230v2 heads. 506rwhp/442rwtq. 11.413 @ 121.29mph 1/4 mile, 168.7mph TX Mile
2000 Pewter Ram Air Trans Am M6 heads/cam 508 rwhp/445 rwtq SAE, 183.092 TX Mile
2022 Cadillac Escalade 6.2L A10 S&B CAI, Corsa catback.
2023 Corvette 3LT Z51 soon to be modified.
Custom LSX tuning in person or via email press here.
2013 Corvette Grand Sport A6 LME forged 416, Greg Good ported TFS 255 LS3 heads, 222/242 .629"/.604" 121LSA Pat G blower cam, ARH 1 7/8" headers, ESC Novi 1500 Supercharger w/8 rib direct drive conversion, 747rwhp/709rwtq on 93 octane, 801rwhp/735rwtq on race fuel, 10.1 @ 147.25mph 1/4 mile, 174.7mph Half Mile.
2016 Corvette Z51 M7 Magnuson Heartbeat 2300 supercharger, TSP LT headers, Pat G tuned, 667rwhp, 662rwtq, 191mph TX Mile.
2009.5 Pontiac G8 GT 6.0L, A6, AFR 230v2 heads. 506rwhp/442rwtq. 11.413 @ 121.29mph 1/4 mile, 168.7mph TX Mile
2000 Pewter Ram Air Trans Am M6 heads/cam 508 rwhp/445 rwtq SAE, 183.092 TX Mile
2022 Cadillac Escalade 6.2L A10 S&B CAI, Corsa catback.
2023 Corvette 3LT Z51 soon to be modified.
Custom LSX tuning in person or via email press here.
Originally Posted by Patrick G
DCR is 8.80:1
That's an excellent cam for that vehicle. Keep in mind, the LS2 does not run lots of timing and that cam will probably work nicely with close to stock timing tables. I'd keep the cam. I run around that much DCR in my TA. As long as you have 93 octane, you should be fine.
That's an excellent cam for that vehicle. Keep in mind, the LS2 does not run lots of timing and that cam will probably work nicely with close to stock timing tables. I'd keep the cam. I run around that much DCR in my TA. As long as you have 93 octane, you should be fine.
todd
Originally Posted by 02ZOh6
Vtodd, what's your truck run btw? My buddy just picked one up and my dad threw a 3600 stall in it for him and it rocks. Huge difference.
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Originally Posted by 02ZOh6
Vtodd, what's your truck run btw? My buddy just picked one up and my dad threw a 3600 stall in it for him and it rocks. Huge difference.
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2013 Corvette Grand Sport A6 LME forged 416, Greg Good ported TFS 255 LS3 heads, 222/242 .629"/.604" 121LSA Pat G blower cam, ARH 1 7/8" headers, ESC Novi 1500 Supercharger w/8 rib direct drive conversion, 747rwhp/709rwtq on 93 octane, 801rwhp/735rwtq on race fuel, 10.1 @ 147.25mph 1/4 mile, 174.7mph Half Mile.
2016 Corvette Z51 M7 Magnuson Heartbeat 2300 supercharger, TSP LT headers, Pat G tuned, 667rwhp, 662rwtq, 191mph TX Mile.
2009.5 Pontiac G8 GT 6.0L, A6, AFR 230v2 heads. 506rwhp/442rwtq. 11.413 @ 121.29mph 1/4 mile, 168.7mph TX Mile
2000 Pewter Ram Air Trans Am M6 heads/cam 508 rwhp/445 rwtq SAE, 183.092 TX Mile
2022 Cadillac Escalade 6.2L A10 S&B CAI, Corsa catback.
2023 Corvette 3LT Z51 soon to be modified.
Custom LSX tuning in person or via email press here.
2013 Corvette Grand Sport A6 LME forged 416, Greg Good ported TFS 255 LS3 heads, 222/242 .629"/.604" 121LSA Pat G blower cam, ARH 1 7/8" headers, ESC Novi 1500 Supercharger w/8 rib direct drive conversion, 747rwhp/709rwtq on 93 octane, 801rwhp/735rwtq on race fuel, 10.1 @ 147.25mph 1/4 mile, 174.7mph Half Mile.
2016 Corvette Z51 M7 Magnuson Heartbeat 2300 supercharger, TSP LT headers, Pat G tuned, 667rwhp, 662rwtq, 191mph TX Mile.
2009.5 Pontiac G8 GT 6.0L, A6, AFR 230v2 heads. 506rwhp/442rwtq. 11.413 @ 121.29mph 1/4 mile, 168.7mph TX Mile
2000 Pewter Ram Air Trans Am M6 heads/cam 508 rwhp/445 rwtq SAE, 183.092 TX Mile
2022 Cadillac Escalade 6.2L A10 S&B CAI, Corsa catback.
2023 Corvette 3LT Z51 soon to be modified.
Custom LSX tuning in person or via email press here.
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Originally Posted by gun5l1ng3r
Do they run a really low stock stall converter because they are a truck?
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2013 Corvette Grand Sport A6 LME forged 416, Greg Good ported TFS 255 LS3 heads, 222/242 .629"/.604" 121LSA Pat G blower cam, ARH 1 7/8" headers, ESC Novi 1500 Supercharger w/8 rib direct drive conversion, 747rwhp/709rwtq on 93 octane, 801rwhp/735rwtq on race fuel, 10.1 @ 147.25mph 1/4 mile, 174.7mph Half Mile.
2016 Corvette Z51 M7 Magnuson Heartbeat 2300 supercharger, TSP LT headers, Pat G tuned, 667rwhp, 662rwtq, 191mph TX Mile.
2009.5 Pontiac G8 GT 6.0L, A6, AFR 230v2 heads. 506rwhp/442rwtq. 11.413 @ 121.29mph 1/4 mile, 168.7mph TX Mile
2000 Pewter Ram Air Trans Am M6 heads/cam 508 rwhp/445 rwtq SAE, 183.092 TX Mile
2022 Cadillac Escalade 6.2L A10 S&B CAI, Corsa catback.
2023 Corvette 3LT Z51 soon to be modified.
Custom LSX tuning in person or via email press here.
2013 Corvette Grand Sport A6 LME forged 416, Greg Good ported TFS 255 LS3 heads, 222/242 .629"/.604" 121LSA Pat G blower cam, ARH 1 7/8" headers, ESC Novi 1500 Supercharger w/8 rib direct drive conversion, 747rwhp/709rwtq on 93 octane, 801rwhp/735rwtq on race fuel, 10.1 @ 147.25mph 1/4 mile, 174.7mph Half Mile.
2016 Corvette Z51 M7 Magnuson Heartbeat 2300 supercharger, TSP LT headers, Pat G tuned, 667rwhp, 662rwtq, 191mph TX Mile.
2009.5 Pontiac G8 GT 6.0L, A6, AFR 230v2 heads. 506rwhp/442rwtq. 11.413 @ 121.29mph 1/4 mile, 168.7mph TX Mile
2000 Pewter Ram Air Trans Am M6 heads/cam 508 rwhp/445 rwtq SAE, 183.092 TX Mile
2022 Cadillac Escalade 6.2L A10 S&B CAI, Corsa catback.
2023 Corvette 3LT Z51 soon to be modified.
Custom LSX tuning in person or via email press here.
Originally Posted by Patrick G
DCR is 8.80:1
That's an excellent cam for that vehicle. Keep in mind, the LS2 does not run lots of timing and that cam will probably work nicely with close to stock timing tables. I'd keep the cam. I run around that much DCR in my TA. As long as you have 93 octane, you should be fine.
That's an excellent cam for that vehicle. Keep in mind, the LS2 does not run lots of timing and that cam will probably work nicely with close to stock timing tables. I'd keep the cam. I run around that much DCR in my TA. As long as you have 93 octane, you should be fine.
Checking the numbers on a 109.5 ICL, its an 8.86 DCR. (109ICL makes it an 8.9, Todd, which was from the cam #s I got from you earlier 2.5* advance). P-G, what you said above is key - it should run on stock timing tables (which is only 18 degrees), pretty poor for 243s which have ~24 degrees stock on Z06s. In addition, the other major factor I worry about is the 8.85 DCR on stock .054" head-gaskets. Quench is too big.
P-G, correct me if I'm wrong, but you're running about 8.73:1 if I remember right? With how tight of a quench, though?
On 6/30, You posted this in a similar DCR-related thread:
"8.5:1 seems to be the limit for 91 Octane and 8.8:1 seems to be the limit for 93. If you're running higher octane than this, you can bring up DCR."
Please don't take this the wrong way, P-G; I too am very interested to get some feedback on this subject. But, much like Todd, am wanting to feel 100% sure with the decision....and not be clenching the butt-muscles in nervousness each time I pull up to a gas station and see there's only 92-octane available (or suspicious 93)....
Originally Posted by 02RedHawk
Checking the numbers on a 109.5 ICL, its an 8.86 DCR. (109ICL makes it an 8.9, Todd, which was from the cam #s I got from you earlier 2.5* advance). P-G, what you said above is key - it should run on stock timing tables (which is only 18 degrees), pretty poor for 243s which have ~24 degrees stock on Z06s. In addition, the other major factor I worry about is the 8.85 DCR on stock .054" head-gaskets. Quench is too big.
P-G, correct me if I'm wrong, but you're running about 8.73:1 if I remember right? With how tight of a quench, though?
On 6/30, You posted this in a similar DCR-related thread:
"8.5:1 seems to be the limit for 91 Octane and 8.8:1 seems to be the limit for 93. If you're running higher octane than this, you can bring up DCR."
Please don't take this the wrong way, P-G; I too am very interested to get some feedback on this subject. But, much like Todd, am wanting to feel 100% sure with the decision....and not be clenching the butt-muscles in nervousness each time I pull up to a gas station and see there's only 92-octane available (or suspicious 93)....
P-G, correct me if I'm wrong, but you're running about 8.73:1 if I remember right? With how tight of a quench, though?
On 6/30, You posted this in a similar DCR-related thread:
"8.5:1 seems to be the limit for 91 Octane and 8.8:1 seems to be the limit for 93. If you're running higher octane than this, you can bring up DCR."
Please don't take this the wrong way, P-G; I too am very interested to get some feedback on this subject. But, much like Todd, am wanting to feel 100% sure with the decision....and not be clenching the butt-muscles in nervousness each time I pull up to a gas station and see there's only 92-octane available (or suspicious 93)....
92 octane is starting to become the norm in my area along with 10% ethanol. not good.
Obviously, you can run lower octane fuel than 93 if you don't jack up your timing too much. I run 26 degrees of timing at peak torque and 30 degrees of timing at peak power. Much of the credit is due to the tight quench of .032". I would expect you could run lots more than 18 degrees of timing, even with 91 octane, LOL.
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2013 Corvette Grand Sport A6 LME forged 416, Greg Good ported TFS 255 LS3 heads, 222/242 .629"/.604" 121LSA Pat G blower cam, ARH 1 7/8" headers, ESC Novi 1500 Supercharger w/8 rib direct drive conversion, 747rwhp/709rwtq on 93 octane, 801rwhp/735rwtq on race fuel, 10.1 @ 147.25mph 1/4 mile, 174.7mph Half Mile.
2016 Corvette Z51 M7 Magnuson Heartbeat 2300 supercharger, TSP LT headers, Pat G tuned, 667rwhp, 662rwtq, 191mph TX Mile.
2009.5 Pontiac G8 GT 6.0L, A6, AFR 230v2 heads. 506rwhp/442rwtq. 11.413 @ 121.29mph 1/4 mile, 168.7mph TX Mile
2000 Pewter Ram Air Trans Am M6 heads/cam 508 rwhp/445 rwtq SAE, 183.092 TX Mile
2022 Cadillac Escalade 6.2L A10 S&B CAI, Corsa catback.
2023 Corvette 3LT Z51 soon to be modified.
Custom LSX tuning in person or via email press here.
2013 Corvette Grand Sport A6 LME forged 416, Greg Good ported TFS 255 LS3 heads, 222/242 .629"/.604" 121LSA Pat G blower cam, ARH 1 7/8" headers, ESC Novi 1500 Supercharger w/8 rib direct drive conversion, 747rwhp/709rwtq on 93 octane, 801rwhp/735rwtq on race fuel, 10.1 @ 147.25mph 1/4 mile, 174.7mph Half Mile.
2016 Corvette Z51 M7 Magnuson Heartbeat 2300 supercharger, TSP LT headers, Pat G tuned, 667rwhp, 662rwtq, 191mph TX Mile.
2009.5 Pontiac G8 GT 6.0L, A6, AFR 230v2 heads. 506rwhp/442rwtq. 11.413 @ 121.29mph 1/4 mile, 168.7mph TX Mile
2000 Pewter Ram Air Trans Am M6 heads/cam 508 rwhp/445 rwtq SAE, 183.092 TX Mile
2022 Cadillac Escalade 6.2L A10 S&B CAI, Corsa catback.
2023 Corvette 3LT Z51 soon to be modified.
Custom LSX tuning in person or via email press here.
so what i have gathered is that you can completely contain the high DCR by having lowered timing....problem solved, no knock?
thanks for the help so far, by the way.
todd
thanks for the help so far, by the way.
todd
i guess what it comes down to, is how much power this cam will make without adding any timing (and hopefully not taking any away), using the near stock timing table.
thanks alot redhawk and patrick for your views, and i will post the numbers (crossing fingers that they are worthwhile) once i get it dyno tuned.
thanks!
thanks alot redhawk and patrick for your views, and i will post the numbers (crossing fingers that they are worthwhile) once i get it dyno tuned.
thanks!