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Old Jul 18, 2006 | 02:24 PM
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can i only get the studs if im going to install the heads with the engine out of the car?? if this is true i have to get the bolts right?
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Old Jul 18, 2006 | 04:17 PM
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You can use both. The studs should be the same length as the bolts. An out of car build people put the studs in first. Inside an F body, I would imagine its impossible so you put the head on then screw the stud in afterwards then put the nut on. Does anyone know if there is a big difference in the bolts and studs? The studs are like 80 bucks more I believe.
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Old Jul 18, 2006 | 04:22 PM
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You can use both. The studs should be the same length as the bolts. An out of car build people put the studs in first. Inside an F body, I would imagine its impossible so you put the head on then screw the stud in afterwards then put the nut on. Does anyone know if there is a big difference in the bolts and studs? The studs are like 80 bucks more I believe.
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This method would defeat the purpose of studs...

If you are going to do that then why not just get bolts?

Studs are supposed to be installed once in the block and then left along... This prevents the block "from getting messed up" from not having to constanly bolt and on bolt stuff...

If you were going to undo the studs everytime you did a head swap then the studs have no advantage over bolts...


Head studs are really best if you plan to take your heads off a few times anyway....
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FI guys should probably run studs...I am sure they see their fair share of blown head gaskets from time to time.
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I don't see why you don't just get the GM stock replacement bolts and call it a $100 cheaper day.
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I got the ARP head bolts.. Good thing about them is they can be re-used.. Torque to 70 lbs and call it a day..
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Old Jul 18, 2006 | 04:38 PM
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FI guys should probably run studs...I am sure they see their fair share of blown head gaskets from time to time.

I heard they do not "hold" any better than arp bolts?



Makes sense since they are virtually the same thing when all bolted up....
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I got the ARP head bolts.. Good thing about them is they can be re-used.. Torque to 70 lbs and call it a day..

How is your motor holding up?
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I heard they do not "hold" any better than arp bolts?



Makes sense since they are virtually the same thing when all bolted up....
But if you are taking your heads off every 5 days because of a blown head gasket it does make sense. I wasnt talking about just for having a 220,000 PSI rating. Just for ease of changing.
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How is your motor holding up?


Great 1000 miles and no measuredable oil burnage! But my converts lock up clutch just took a ****.

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Great 1000 miles and no measuredable oil burnage! But my converts lock up clutch just took a ****.

*ringing* Hello? Is this the TCI hotline?
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Old Jul 18, 2006 | 04:46 PM
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I don't see FI in your sig, so I'd recommend ARP bolts.

You'll thank yourself during the install for buying the ARP bolts over the GM stockers. TRUST ME! The procedure for tightening the GM bolts is a real pain in the ***. I also found that the ARP's have a slightly smaller head than the stockers which gives you that tiney extra bit of clearance to get them in the back few boltholes with ease. I think it was the last head bolt on the bottom, on the passanger side that was the hardest to get out. The ARP bolt slid right in though.
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Either way man. Doesnt sound like studs are a good option for you.
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If you go with the ARP bolts make sure you get some of the assembly lube with it! That will make it easy to torque down and you reading will be alot more accurate!
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*ringing* Hello? Is this the TCI hotline?

More like, take this POS converter.. and then I am gonna call PI and order what I should have in the first place..
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If you go with the ARP bolts make sure you get some of the assembly lube with it! That will make it easy to torque down and you reading will be alot more accurate!
That is the white crap right?
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Originally Posted by orangeapeel
That is the white crap right?
Nope grayish/silver...
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Old Jul 18, 2006 | 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by orangeapeel
But if you are taking your heads off every 5 days because of a blown head gasket it does make sense. I wasnt talking about just for having a 220,000 PSI rating. Just for ease of changing.

ahhh, I misunderstood.

Yup, not having to clean bolt holes is a big plus.



P.S. You can use motor oil on the bolts instead of ARP lube
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Old Jul 18, 2006 | 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by viewsonic


P.S. You can use motor oil on the bolts instead of ARP lube
True, but you must use the correct TQ rating. ARP has diffrent specs depending on the lube you use.
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where do i get the lube? also do the bolts come with insturctions for the torquing procedure?
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