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Old Aug 3, 2006 | 01:02 PM
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Im looking to install my cam this weekend but i have not got a new oil pump. will i be ok with the stock one for now? and if so should i not be driving the car if im still useing the stock oil pump.
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Old Aug 3, 2006 | 01:05 PM
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you'll be alright,... i'm still using my stock pump and i installed my cam almost 2 years ago. it is a suggested upgrade with any cam, and you're better off doing it at the same time if you can.
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Old Aug 3, 2006 | 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by 2GFIREHAWK
Im looking to install my cam this weekend but i have not got a new oil pump. will i be ok with the stock one for now? and if so should i not be driving the car if im still useing the stock oil pump.

yes you would b ok.. but think about it do you really want to have to take the pulley and the cover off again.. you already have everything off why not change it.. it doesnt cost that much anyways. just my. .02
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Old Aug 3, 2006 | 03:47 PM
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If you weren't having issues with the pump before, you should be ok, but like was already mentioned.... why not do it while you are already in there? They are relatively cheap from any number of vendors. My advice is to do it and be done.
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Old Aug 3, 2006 | 04:11 PM
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Theyre also a big pain in the *** what with all the dropping of the oil pan. Id say its an extra 3+ hours to do the install. But like the others said, you could be saving yourself another 3 hours to get to this point of undress if you did it now.
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Old Aug 3, 2006 | 04:15 PM
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honestly dropping oil pan wasn't that hard when your there....just take your time, make sure you realize ls1howto is missing a few bolts there is more like 13 bolts to the oil pan
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Old Aug 3, 2006 | 04:26 PM
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Dropping the oil pan? That's not needed. We just did mine this weekend.
Have some patience. Order the part and replace it. You won't know when it's about to go. It'll just crap out on ya.
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Old Aug 3, 2006 | 04:31 PM
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Sorry guys, I have fairly thin fingers and it took me a long time of futzin' with that damn oil pickup bolt. All the while in the hot hot sun and contorting my body in akward positions to fit under the car on smallish jackstands. Not something im anxious to do again. Ill wait till the engine comes out
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Old Aug 3, 2006 | 04:43 PM
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Pen magnet will fish it out just fine if you drop it, considering the bolt will be the only item the magnet picks up in there. We even dropped the end wrench in once, and fished it right out with a pen magnet. Don't listen to the wannabe internet gurus. They make it WAY too hard, and spend WAY too much time reading and not enough time living.
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Old Aug 3, 2006 | 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by N4cer
Pen magnet will fish it out just fine if you drop it, considering the bolt will be the only item the magnet picks up in there. We even dropped the end wrench in once, and fished it right out with a pen magnet. Don't listen to the wannabe internet gurus. They make it WAY too hard, and spend WAY too much time reading and not enough time living.
Although overly harsh, I'd say he has a point. When doing my install, I was unable to drop the oil pan any. We loosened all the bolts but couldn't get the pan to drop even after wedging two huge screwdrivers between the pan and block and prying for all they were worth.

We went ahead and pulled the oil pump off anyway. I didn't change the pump, just the timing chain. I dropped the pickup bolt a couple times, but we got it with the pen magnet without any trouble. It took about 10 minutes to get the bolt back in place.

I did read a good suggestion at one point for this. Someone said they used a piece of fishing line tied around the bolt while trying to get it in there. This way it couldn't fall to far down into the oil pan. After it is threaded, you can cut the fishing line off the bolt (making sure to get it all out of there) and thread it the rest of the way in.

If I had it to do over... I'm not sure if I'd try it or not. It wasn't too tough for me, but I felt like I just got lucky.
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Old Aug 3, 2006 | 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by N4cer
Pen magnet will fish it out just fine if you drop it, considering the bolt will be the only item the magnet picks up in there. We even dropped the end wrench in once, and fished it right out with a pen magnet. Don't listen to the wannabe internet gurus. They make it WAY too hard, and spend WAY too much time reading and not enough time living.
I hope you wern't referring to me, as im no ls1 internet guru, wannabe or not. That being said, ive done every single mod myslef, from installing and setting up my own gears to milling, porting and polishing my own and a few other sets of heads. Ive rebuilt motors with friends. Im constantly tuning my own car and helping buddies with theirs. Ive made my own valve spring compressor and flcutting tools myself. Ive had to drill, tap and helicoil a broken crank bolt for my buddy. I fabbed up my own suspension parts. Ive done a half dozen cam swaps, almost as many head swaps and even a motor pull. Ive dropped a tranny on my nuts trying to bench press it out of the way, then again after realizing I forgot to loctite the pressure plate bolts. Ive even welded about 8 to 10 different exhaust systems up. Out of all the various tasks ive done on lsx based cars, the oil pickup bolt and O ring may be the most frustrating of them all. I for one really did find it to be a time consuming and annoying task. But please dont criticise my opinion. Im not just parroting information ive read on the boards - Ive been through it and experienced it all first hand.

Like gauge suggested, I used dental floss to keep from dropping the bolt down the pan.
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Old Aug 3, 2006 | 08:14 PM
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And, for the record, GuitsBoy is the freakin' man. He helped me out big time with my cam install. He knows his shiznit.

Thanks again, Tony.
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Old Aug 3, 2006 | 08:41 PM
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i had to drop my pan to get the pickup tube all the way off the oil pump, that was the only reason
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Old Aug 3, 2006 | 09:41 PM
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Thanks for the kind words gauge.

Sorry to take things personally and get off topic.

Anyway, 2gfirehawk, you dont need to do the pump and chain now. While if you plan on doing it in the future, it would be beneficial to do it now since your in the area. but plenty of people have run the stock ls1 pump and chain with their cam. I believe it was limited to the 98's that had the faulty oil pump that would potentially stick open, but those failures probably arent as common as people make them out to be.
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