I recently bent some pushrods and and valves on my motor and instead of just fixing it and i figured i should do a head and cam package while i have the motor apart. My question is what would be a good head and cam package for everyday use. I was looking at the magic stick 3. would it be a decent cam for a daily driver or too much. i was even thinking of converting my ls1 to an ls6 with the package from summit. if i dont do a ls6 package i am thinking of doiing a fast 90mm intake w/ nick williams tb.

 

Wow what an interesting, original question with an unsearchable answer.

 

wow thanks for the wise *** answer. now would someone with useful information please answer me. and by the way friggen search was not working.

 

I have been having problems with the search lately too. Don't worry, there are plenty of people around here to help.

 

i think it would depend on yur goals. is yur car strictly a street car or a track car? is it a DD or not? i know lots of people are quick to suggest afr heads and ms3 or torquer for sure.

 

I have had problems with the search too. I think "suitable for a daily driver" is different to everyone. obviously the LS6 package would keep your car daily driveable, but if your considering the fast90 and nw throttle body then you have some room to vary your options and make a much more powerful engine than an ls6. I went with the ms4 and prc ls6 stage 1's from tsp. It may be a little harsh to drive everyday, but totally worth it.

 

AFR 225 Small bore or another good aftermarket (not stock casting) cylinder head that doesn't stall air around .650 and the MS4 cam topped with a Fast 90/90 should net some real nice numbers.

 

well the car is more of a daily driver than a track car. I rarely run it at the track. I want something lumpy but not too lumpy. Is the magic stick (3 or 4) way too lump to drive around town alot?

 

I think you would be happy with any cam in the 224-230 duration range as far as the cam selection goes. How much do you want to spend on heads? I have a set of AFR 205s milled on the way, so obviously I will be biased towards them (but this was after countless hours of reading results and lots of research) A little more info like what your willing to spend would help out alot.

Oh, in my opinion it would be a waste and just a cryn shame to get the LS6 conversion from Summit. For what you would pay for that, you could get better heads and a much better cam as well.

 

I am leaning towards AFR LS1 205cc 66cc Chamber Cylinder Heads. Is the MS3 too much cam for a daily driver. Also how length pushrods should I get. If it helps this is the only internal engine mod i have and probably the only internal mod i do the the car.

 

Sorry, I wasn't aware the search feature was down. There are still 9 posts about the best cam on the first page, but oh well.

For a daily driven car to be driven comfortably, I'd say the MS3 is going to be rough. You'll want 4.10s in your M6, it will lope like crazy, and make tons of power up top. You will still have some power down low, but it isn't going to get its full use in until 4000-6500rpms. I think a great daily driven setup is one like Patrick G has minus the AFR 225s. The AFR 225s (even though small bore) are a little large for a daily driven, low powerband hp/tq monster. With his cam (224/228 .637/.639 110LSA), 225s and a Mamo ported FAST intake he's in the 470/430 range. Those LSK lobes on the intake AND exhaust are hard on the valvetrain, but it'd be worth it. I imagine that cam is pretty lopey as well, but probably more tolerable than the MS3. If you run Comp 921's I don't think you'd have a problem.

Another option with less valvetrain wear would be a 228 sized cam on some Xer lobes. You could also check out TSP's torquer cams as they have a pretty good following. The AFR 205s with a mill and thicker gasket would be the ideal head in my opinion, but I think that the Trickflow and ETP 215s or the Terminator 200s would be interesting as well. Just make sure you get your compression in check with whatever head/cam combo you pick.

For the valvetrain mods, 7.4 length pushrods seem to be pretty common. I was going to go 7.425 with the TRex, but 7.4 should suit you. With lift over .610 you'll need dual springs. Patriot and PRC have affordable springs, Comp's will be more money. I would go ahead and invest in an LS2 timing chain and LS6 oil pump. You could get a ported pump but the unported LS6 should work out fine. If you are pulling the heads I would get at least OE replacement lifters, it's not necessary but if you can afford $2000+ heads you can afford $120 lifters and it's easy with the heads off.

 

MS3 is more of a track car than a street car, it doesn't pull as hard as most under 4k rpm's. The MS4 was an improvement upon that cam, and has more power under the curve.

 

Good choice on the AFRs. I must suggest you mill them and go with a thinner, not thicker, gasket. This will get your CR up and give you a better quench. This will limit the size cam you can run, but it will be a better all around setup for the street having a smaller spec'd cam and good compression than stock compression and a large cam which would yield a lazy setup on the street.

 

i would also go with the afr 205's milled, thinner head gasket and a cam under 230 duration my car has awesum street manners but if you decide to flycut and go ***** to the wall i get the g5x3 cam

 

AFR 205 heads milled a bit (.025-.030), 228 232 112lsa +2 cam, 7.375 pushrods, FAST 90 Intake, Holley 90TB. Should be good for around 440ish RWHP and around 405ish RWTQ for a M6.

Get the FAST 90 Intake ported and then add another 8-10 RWHP.

 

id say, some tsp cnc ported ls6 heads if your on a budget or some darts,afrs if your not on a budget. A DD cam probably would be between a 224 to a 228 cam on a 114lsa. Some people say you can go higher, but i think the higher you go, you better have a decent tuner around because its in the tune from what i read on the site.

 

Ditto.... Depends on total buget

 

This 2004 GTO uses ETP's 215 heads and a Vette Doctor's tune. Runs well. Check it out.

GTO ETP215

 

i have a 224 cam in my formula,it was my dd for almost a year. Its a really good street cam. sounds good and makes decent numbers. i put down 410hp 406tq with fast 90

 

buy the best heads you can afford (AFR, PRC, TFS, ETP) and then get a custom grind cam to match. youre also gonna want a ported FAST combo to help you get that air in.