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Sep 29, 2006 | 12:20 AM

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cheater H/C combo

does anyone have experience with this combo? it sounds too good to be true but i figured i would ask anyways.

Sep 29, 2006 | 10:13 AM

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I've run it in the past and may go back to it in the future. Here are some details about my past build: http://guerragroup.com/CheaTR.htm

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Sep 29, 2006 | 11:52 AM

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I have ls6 ported heads instead of AFR. I'm not as pleased as I guess I should be. The car drives like stock and has more power up top. I have 404/386rwtq but I can barely tell the difference in day to day driving. Runs hard on the highway. But then again my clutch is sticking to the floor, so I don't know what it would feel like in an all out run.

Sep 29, 2006 | 11:53 AM

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If you have headers don't get it. just get a tr224 or ms3 because the valvetrain noise through the headers will give you away.

Sep 29, 2006 | 01:07 PM

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If you have headers don't get it. just get a tr224 or ms3 because the valvetrain noise through the headers will give you away.

That's a strange statement to say as the TR224 and MS3 have just as much valvetrain noise as the CheaTR. The CheaTR is worth a solid 40 rwhp if running headers. Hard to find a cam that will give you more power with stock-like street manners. Oh, and shifting at 6100 is not using the entire potential of the CheaTR as it makes strong power to 6800 rpm. I made 433rwhp with headers and closed exhaust with it.

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Sep 29, 2006 | 01:46 PM

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It's probably me sticking my foot in my mouth. I think that the cam does make good power. I'm betting somewhere around 420-28 on my car if I add ported tb, underdrive pulley and remove cats. From other post and dyno graphs it appears that the tr224 and ms3 would give a more sotp difference and at least the tr224 should be easier on the springs. However, I've read most of Pat G's post and seen his list of cars and if I were you I'd go with his opinion over mine on any day.

Sep 30, 2006 | 09:59 AM

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I used Patriot 243 ported heads and CheatR cam with stock manifolds and exhaust on my 03 vette 6 speed and pulled 374rwhp and 358 rwtq. Only other mod was Blackwing Airfilter.

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Oct 1, 2006 | 01:03 PM

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If you pay attention to SCR/DCR/quench and proper tuning you should hit 400 or pretty close.
Patrick hit in the neighborhood of 430 with headers and his other bolt-ons + AFRs.

Oct 1, 2006 | 01:39 PM

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I used Patriot 243 ported heads and CheatR cam with stock manifolds and exhaust on my 03 vette 6 speed and pulled 374rwhp and 358 rwtq. Only other mod was Blackwing Airfilter.

At what rpm did yor HP and Torque peak? Can you post the graph?

Thanks

Oct 1, 2006 | 02:56 PM

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ive thought about this package when it comes time to go with a h/c combo....either that or a tr224

Oct 2, 2006 | 02:27 PM

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At what rpm did yor HP and Torque peak? Can you post the graph?

Thanks

I will try to post it tonight.

Oct 2, 2006 | 06:41 PM

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sorry to highjack but im thinking of doin a cheatr cam only with the mods in my sig..about what rwho will i be making? and im goin to be using a ss3600 too.. im just curious if this would be the best cam for a daily driver.. and i herd that this cam peaks at 6600 or higher.. wont that hurt my at shifting that high? can i advance the cam any to bring the peak power down to 6200? thanx and once again sorry for the highjack lol..

Oct 2, 2006 | 08:51 PM

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Oct 2, 2006 | 09:10 PM

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Here is the Dyno Chart.

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Oct 2, 2006 | 09:32 PM

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Here is the Dyno Chart.

Thanks for the graph. Very informative.

Oct 3, 2006 | 02:07 AM

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Peak is 6200

Oct 3, 2006 | 05:53 PM

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Here is the Dyno Chart.

thows arnte very good #s for heads too. i was hopin to put down 360 threw an auto with mods in sig...hmmmm back to the drawing board..

Oct 4, 2006 | 10:28 PM

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Here is another graph I "hand" plotted comparing my LS1 dyno chart to a LS6 dynochart and My Patriot 243 ported heads and CheatR cam. Nothing much happens until after 4000 RPM but it is noticeable.

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