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Old Nov 8, 2006 | 07:23 PM
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After search after search I'm going with the MS4. I do not have much mechanic skills other then the basic stuff, boltons etc. With a good tune will I have to be doing alot of maintnece on the engine and cam, taking it to the track about once a month. (In other words with a MS4 cam will it take alot of tweaking to maintain.) I plan to learn as I go on working internal with the LS1.

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MS4 Cam 239/242 .649"/.610", 111.5 LSA
Springs, pushrods, timing chain, oil pump, headers true duals, dyno tuning.
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Old Nov 8, 2006 | 09:10 PM
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ok i would definitly go with headers and a y pipe b4 the cam and what re your goals witht he car?? let some1 install it for you. cams are not easy to install and you might install ur cam wrong and tha could be a problem. leave it to some1 who nos what they are doing and learn form there
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Old Nov 8, 2006 | 09:14 PM
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Too much lift (valve spring setup and maintenance) and too much overlap (major tuning to the driveability phase of the car needed). This is not a good first time cam. It takes lots of attention to setup correctly and you will enjoy it a lot more if you started smaller and learned to do everything yourself.
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Old Nov 8, 2006 | 09:21 PM
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Too much lift (valve spring setup and maintenance) and too much overlap (major tuning to the driveability phase of the car needed). This is not a good first time cam. It takes lots of attention to setup correctly and you will enjoy it a lot more if you started smaller and learned to do everything yourself.
I plan on going the headers and duals along with the cam. My plans are to make enough power to run mid 11's. What would be a good cam to start out with?
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Old Nov 8, 2006 | 09:34 PM
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Ask PAT G about his it's just like he's name says No Compromises
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Old Nov 8, 2006 | 10:20 PM
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224/228 .581/.588 110LSA +2 cam will get you the lope, torque and power to meet your goals and makes for a fine starter cam. Very similar to mine except with more spring-firendly Comp XE-R lobes.
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Old Nov 8, 2006 | 11:24 PM
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U kinda sound like your in the same boat as me as far as cams go. Iv been researching this hard for the last week, and this would be my first ever cam swap in an ls1, I did a cam in my 1975 chevy p/u and it was a piece of cake, but I imagine this is a little different. Anyways I decided to go with the tsp 233/239 cam, not quite so big, but still big enough to get the cool sound, and maybe a little bit more drivability. And as far as doing it myself goes....hell ya Im gonna do it myself, never done anything on this car but change the oil, but Id rather know what I screwed up during the install rather than worrying about what somebody else might have screwed up, and to me half the fun is installing this stuff and when Im rootin around in a bad *** camaro, I know I did all the work.......except the tune!
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The cam install is not hard, if you can change your spark plugs you can change a cam with patience and research. As for the MS4 being too big or not the right cam, only you can make that determination, I would suggest lots of research before you make a decision. Do a little research for MS4 in that handy little tool up there at the top of the page called "search" and you can even put other key words in there nad get tons of threads with more posts than you will care to read.
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Old Nov 11, 2006 | 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Patrick G
Too much lift (valve spring setup and maintenance) and too much overlap (major tuning to the driveability phase of the car needed). This is not a good first time cam. It takes lots of attention to setup correctly and you will enjoy it a lot more if you started smaller and learned to do everything yourself.
The reason I want to start with the MS4 is I dont want to spend money on something smaller then spend more money to go bigger. If I go with the MS4 I will be having it dynotuned and installed at TSP. I would rather have someone do the install rather then tearing something up. Any input is welcomed.
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how bout the MS3? have you looked into it its a tad bit smaller int. and ex. valve lift, but i have seen some really good things come from that cam.
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Old Nov 11, 2006 | 09:54 PM
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Id go with the ms3. The results of the ms4 for that I have seen dont seem to be worth it.
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Old Nov 23, 2006 | 05:04 PM
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From the searched I put together I think the Torquer V.3 might be a better cam to go with what do you all think.
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Old Nov 23, 2006 | 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by 2_wacko
The reason I want to start with the MS4 is I dont want to spend money on something smaller then spend more money to go bigger. If I go with the MS4 I will be having it dynotuned and installed at TSP. I would rather have someone do the install rather then tearing something up. Any input is welcomed.
If you're going to get the work done at TSP, I'd just tell them your goals and let them pick the cam. They've chosen and installed hundreds or thousands of LS1 cams. They know what works and produces happy customers.
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