Why are those 422s so expensive ?
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Why are those 422s so expensive ? Is there any way to get a 422 engine with a price close to 10k ? would that dream ever come true ?
Let's say that I don't want the engine to be Nitrous/boost ready, would that lower the price of these motors ?
With that being said, does anyone know where I could find a used 422 motor for sale ?
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Let's say that I don't want the engine to be Nitrous/boost ready, would that lower the price of these motors ?
With that being said, does anyone know where I could find a used 422 motor for sale ?
Thanks
Re: Why are those 422s so expensive ? The crank, rods and pistons are not cheap. Add a set of stage II heads, cam and other items and the price adds up very quickly.
Look in the classifieds and see if Jason 98TA will sell you just the motor out of his car.
I have a 422ci in my car but I went with an iron block and a little less bore from ARE.
Look in the classifieds and see if Jason 98TA will sell you just the motor out of his car.
I have a 422ci in my car but I went with an iron block and a little less bore from ARE.
Re: Why are those 422s so expensive ? Forged crank, rods, and pistons all from Lunati are EXPENSIVE. I know that I got a great deal back in January 2000 for a 382 rotating assy. for $3,300. The prices have since gone up. Then you add in a set of stage III heads that are opened up for the larger bore, $1,000 in sleeves, machinework, labor, yada yada yada. Don't forget to factor in the price of "newness". What I mean is that anything that's new to the market is going to be expensive. Look at the price of airlids in June of '98, and look at them now. You can buy one for 1/2 price now compared to then. I don't know what just a 422 cid would run pricewise. I see them priced with other parts (headers, catbacks, etc.).
As for Jason's car, he has it priced for an absolute steal! I don't know if he'd still be willing to part it out or not. You can shoot him an e-mail at jason98ta@hotmail.com. I do know that the engine has 150 miles on it, and he ran a 10.89 @ 126 MPH the first time out with it. You could very possibly work a deal out with him to swap your stock engine and some cash for his 422 cid. He was looking at doing this a while back.
As for Jason's car, he has it priced for an absolute steal! I don't know if he'd still be willing to part it out or not. You can shoot him an e-mail at jason98ta@hotmail.com. I do know that the engine has 150 miles on it, and he ran a 10.89 @ 126 MPH the first time out with it. You could very possibly work a deal out with him to swap your stock engine and some cash for his 422 cid. He was looking at doing this a while back.
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Re: Why are those 422s so expensive ? Another option for you is an "all bore" motor. I really want a 427, but for the price of a MMS all bore 388 its like I get the heads/cam for free. <img src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" border="0">
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Re: Why are those 422s so expensive ? I can get you into a complete 427CI longblock w/ our Stage III heads for about $11K
That's w/ new cam, hex-adjust timing chain, headgaskets, head studs, our MMS oil pump, and assembled.
With our baby cam it'll put out 460 RWHP through cats. With our 229 cam and ORP you'll see close to 500 RWHP. With LS6 stage III heads you'll be over 525RWHP.
You can get a 388 all bore w/ stage III heads for about $8700.
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That's w/ new cam, hex-adjust timing chain, headgaskets, head studs, our MMS oil pump, and assembled.
With our baby cam it'll put out 460 RWHP through cats. With our 229 cam and ORP you'll see close to 500 RWHP. With LS6 stage III heads you'll be over 525RWHP.
You can get a 388 all bore w/ stage III heads for about $8700.
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Re: Why are those 422s so expensive ? There's another factor you have to consider here. Even if you get the price of a 422 cheaper somewhere, you are still going to have to upgrade your rearend, tranny (if you have an auto), clutch (if you have a manual), driveshaft, and suspension. This all gets quite expensive very quickly.
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Re: Why are those 422s so expensive ? Remember when some tuners advertise a 422, the price includes headers, LS6 intake, air lid, MAF work, catback exhuast in some cases, clutch, gears sometimes, underdrive pulley, etc. All that stuff adds up. So when you see one priced at 12k and one at 15k, make sure you're comparing 2 equally accessorized engines.
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Re: Why are those 422s so expensive ? I think one of the next budget stroker engines is going to be something like a 408 using the cast iron 6.0L block. You would not have to have any big money in the block since it would not need to be resleeved. Lunati is supposed to have a balanced rotating assembly stroker kit available for the 6.0L block soon, if not already. Buy a new/used 6.0L cast iron block, throw together the shortblock (using proper engine building procedures of coarse <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0"> ). Have the 2001+ 6.0L aluminum cylinder heads ported. Use a decent sized camshaft, bolt it in and your set <img src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" border="0"> The big cost savings is in using the cheaper cast iron block that will need minimal machine work. You'll have less cubes than a 422, actually 14 cubic inches, but at a significant cost savings. You would be adding almost 100 lbs to the front of the car as a drawback. I can see this as being a "budget" stroker as I see it can probably be built for somewhere less than $8500 in my estimations. <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0">
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Re: Why are those 422s so expensive ? Mike Morgan, i would like to see a dyno sheet on a "427 w/ls6 heads that makes 525 or better rwhp" now is that threw an exhaust or what that seems a little far fetched.but you didn't go into details either so i don't know what kind of 427 your talking about like(comp. ratio/hydl. cam/solid cam)so it could or could not be possible.just wondering thanks.
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Re: Why are those 422s so expensive ? Doing the aluminum 422 is a very time consuming and precision demanding job that takes a LOT of patience and labor to get finished. That's why these engines from MTI etc. are fairly pricy. Putting 8 sleeves in an LS1 or LS6 block is no easy task and there are a multitude of problems waiting for you if you do it wrong. Then you have the extremely rare crank situation for the stroker cranks right now as far as the LS1 is concerned and the price is just going to be rather high for right now. I don't think MTI, ARE or any of these shops are making as much on these strokers as some people think having seen how much labor it takes to do several of these engines myself personally. When you're through though you do have a LIGHT 422 inch motor at least.
The iron block is a much better bargain but will be heavier and a lot of people don't want that but it will save money if you don't mind the hit on handling. When the rotating assemblies come down some in price that will help a lot too.
The iron block is a much better bargain but will be heavier and a lot of people don't want that but it will save money if you don't mind the hit on handling. When the rotating assemblies come down some in price that will help a lot too.
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Re: Why are those 422s so expensive ? I got a quote for $8750 for a 427 stroker set-up for a 250 shot of nitrous with stage 3 heads, cam, and all the fixings...
THat is the route I am going with...
Hell I was quoted a price for $6000 for everything like above but without the stroker crank. It would have been a 382 All bore...
I am getting the hook up... <img src="gr_grin.gif" border="0">
THat is the route I am going with...
Hell I was quoted a price for $6000 for everything like above but without the stroker crank. It would have been a 382 All bore...
I am getting the hook up... <img src="gr_grin.gif" border="0">
Re: Why are those 422s so expensive ? The 525 rwhp number is achievable but with my experiences that would be a pretty nasty cam profile (solid) or an actual dyno number not a corrected number.
Re: Why are those 422s so expensive ? It's not my place to give details out but it was a nice smooth 229 hyd cam, and SAE numbers. <img src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" border="0">
Re: Why are those 422s so expensive ? [quote]
you didn't go into details either so i don't know what kind of 427 your talking about like(comp. ratio/hydl. cam/solid cam)so it could or could not be possible.just wondering thanks.
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I saw a car at their shop hit over 520rwhp through cats/exhaust with a 427NA. Really a bad-*** combo! It runs pretty mild too.
you didn't go into details either so i don't know what kind of 427 your talking about like(comp. ratio/hydl. cam/solid cam)so it could or could not be possible.just wondering thanks.
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I saw a car at their shop hit over 520rwhp through cats/exhaust with a 427NA. Really a bad-*** combo! It runs pretty mild too.
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Re: Why are those 422s so expensive ? [quote]Originally posted by Terry Burger:
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I saw a car at their shop hit over 520rwhp through cats/exhaust with a 427NA. Really a bad-*** combo! It runs pretty mild too.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Terry, was than on a C5 or F-body ?
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I saw a car at their shop hit over 520rwhp through cats/exhaust with a 427NA. Really a bad-*** combo! It runs pretty mild too.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Terry, was than on a C5 or F-body ?
Re: Why are those 422s so expensive ? The car that Terry is talking about was a C5...I heard that car run and it idled pretty smooth and was quiet to boot!
I didn't actually see that beast on the dyno, but a lot of the other guys at a MMS dyno day did.
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I didn't actually see that beast on the dyno, but a lot of the other guys at a MMS dyno day did.
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Re: Why are those 422s so expensive ? That particular car mentioned made 516RWHP through cats and through mufflers. It was also on 91 octane pump gas.
The cam is our MMS 229v2.0 (229/229 .578"/.578" 114LS)
The lower number is a 385CI Z06 w/ Stage II heads (2.02/1.57) and our MMS224v3.1 cam. This is also through full exhaust.
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The cam is our MMS 229v2.0 (229/229 .578"/.578" 114LS)
The lower number is a 385CI Z06 w/ Stage II heads (2.02/1.57) and our MMS224v3.1 cam. This is also through full exhaust.
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Re: Why are those 422s so expensive ? [quote]Originally posted by Mike Morgan:
<strong>That particular car mentioned made 516RWHP through cats and through mufflers. It was also on 91 octane pump gas.
The cam is our MMS 229v2.0 (229/229 .578"/.578" 114LS)
The lower number is a 385CI Z06 w/ Stage II heads (2.02/1.57) and our MMS224v3.1 cam. This is also through full exhaust.
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Hi Mike,
If mine makes too much power, I'm sending it back to be detuned. <img src="graemlins/gr_jest.gif" border="0" alt="[jester]" />
Leo
<strong>That particular car mentioned made 516RWHP through cats and through mufflers. It was also on 91 octane pump gas.
The cam is our MMS 229v2.0 (229/229 .578"/.578" 114LS)
The lower number is a 385CI Z06 w/ Stage II heads (2.02/1.57) and our MMS224v3.1 cam. This is also through full exhaust.
[ December 18, 2001: Message edited by: Mike Morgan ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
Hi Mike,
If mine makes too much power, I'm sending it back to be detuned. <img src="graemlins/gr_jest.gif" border="0" alt="[jester]" />
Leo