Richie Carbone

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Holy ****! I would call the BBB and a lawyer and go after him legally! If that doesn't work got after him with a Louisville Slugger!

Good luck I hope it works out for you. <img src="gr_images/icons/mad.gif" border="0">

MastaAce98

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By the way, I forgot to reply to the questions which were in this thread.

4mulaJoe: The person who built and designed my new motor is Brent Singh. He is One Monkey on this web board. He is extremely knowledgeable, and if you would want him to build a motor for you, I'm sure it would not be a problem. You would have to get with him on that.

LJ_Z28: What's going on bro! I haven't heard from you in awhile. One Monkey (Brent) is the person you will need to talk to. He did all of the design work on the motor, and his brother Brendon assembled it. Both of them did an excellent job, and I can't even begin to tell you how thankful I am that they helped me out.

.........I hope this all works out. I don't want to end up having to take him to court, but if I do I can guarantee you that he will pay through the nose.


E

2002SS

Sorry to hear about all the problems you have experienced with your engine. I had a friend who got a head and cam package from one of the sponsors here and had nothing but problems with it. It was a stage II head and cam package and his ET only went from 109 MPH to 111 MPH with tuning. It was horrible. A few months later one of the connecting robs snapped and trashed the engine.

I hope everything works out for you from now on.

Oh, by the way, there are a lot of LS1s out there running 11.0:1 plus compression on pump gas. I have a 11.3:1 compression on my LS1 with my LS6 heads and cam package and I run great with pump gas. I usually use Sunoco Ultra 94 octane, but it works with 93 as well.

Good luck in the future.

Dan

Raughammer

2002SS, 11.1 is significantly different than 13.1

JC

99MONGOOSE

No offense to Xccessive but the motor was purchased THROUGH them. It should have been their problem not Ethans. They are the company that chooses to use this Patterson Automotive right? Ethan should have had nothing to do with Patterson. When I had my old Camaro I bought a motor through a local performance shop, and I too had problems(its was an old school SBC). I had three studs pull right out of the heads, and a cracked piston, due to improper assembly. I didn't go after the engine builder. I went right back to the performance shop. I didn't choose the shop that build their motors for them to sell, they do. They paid for everything and the motor company worked it out with them. In my opinion Xcessive should have handled this for you.

2002SS

Raughammer,

Your right. I must have misread the compression numbers and my brain mixed them up <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0">

Sorry for the confusion, but I had a long day, and my brain must not be working right today <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0">

Dan

LS1derfull

This Patterson auto isnt affiliated with Patterson Racing is it? They are out of Kansas the last i checked. Well it wouldnt be fair to them if people read this and assumed this is the same organization as the one that builds super stock,comp and small block pro stock motors. But if it is the same, SCREW EM!!!

WeatherGuy

[quote]Originally posted by Nine Ball:
<strong>I guess this catastrophe could also be used as another lesson: Things like this are why its sometimes better to go with proven LS1 shops, even if the initial cost is slightly more.

Tony</strong><hr></blockquote>

The feedback about the various shops on this board (and the old board before it became all AAG) is probably the main reason why I paid to have my work done at MTI - I was getting something that I knew, while not being the cheapest, would have a *reputable* company standing behind me. The positive experiences reported by many certainly helped my selection also. So that I do not come off as a pure MTI pimp, I will very fairly note that there are other shops that people are reporting very good results with - it seems that word gets out fast in our community, and we should definitely pay attention to it.

It scares me to think that with just slightly different circumstances, I could have unknowingly given my money to the likes of Hennessey or similar, and would now be in the lawyer feed fest trying to get my money/car back. Thanks for all of the info board!

MastaAce98

iTrader: (1)

I just wanted to clear something up here. It's comments like these that really make things unclear. First of all, I want to start off (again) by saying that Xcessive Performance is a very reputable shop here in Houston. They have been working on LS1's since '97 and know them extremely well. In fact, they were the first to build a 454ci LS1.

Kyle, one of Xcessive's mechanics, is extremely knowledgeable on LS1's as well. He has worked on these cars for quite some time too. I would put him on the same playing field as Jeff from MTI. Xcessive Performance is not to blame here. Patterson Automotive on the other hand, is. There was a lot of neglect put into my motor and not enough attention put into details....even though using the correct pistons is a *HUGE* detail.

Xcessive Performance has an excellent reputation here in town, so it's not like I went to a "third rate" shop as some of you seem to claim. Like I said, they are extremely knowledgeable and know what they are doing. However, they are not to blame. I just want to make that clear to everyone.

Tonight, I will be posting some pics of the damage so that you can see what I was talking about.


Ethan

LJ_Z28

Ethan, I am glad that you are going to pursue legal action against him.

Man I was so sold on the idea of him getting me an engine built. I am sincerely glad that you brought this out so I could see this.

Ethan, I owe you alot sincerely. Give me holla when you need anything man. Beer, Girls, anything you want man...

Carlos

Sinco

I'm a little unclear on a few things. You said your buddy Brent noticed that the motor had the wrong pistons in it. Then you said you put in a new cam and heads and then the motor seized by the pistons slamming the heads. At that point you took it back to Patterson. Maybe I mis read or misinterpreted but wht did you put the engine back together the first time if you knew it had the wrong pistons in it? Also xccesive didn't notice that the pistons were wrong before they bolted the heads to the block? I assumming they had used Patterson before. This is a direct reflection on Xccesive unless this was the first time using Patterson. I understand your frustration going directly to Patterson, but xccesive is ultimatley responsible because they farmed it out to Patterson. I guess this is why I have put off moding my Ls1 nobody deserves to be treated like this.

PaiN

Hola Ethan!

Sorry to hear about that **** man. I hope you can recover some of your lost funds, but I imagine that will be pretty hard to do. It sounds like your on the right track now though!

MastaAce98

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Hey everyone,

Thanks for the great amounts of support that you all have shown. To give everyone an update, I have contacted an Attorney in Houston. After thinking about it, you all are right and I should not have to eat the costs. Especially since I spent over $7,000 on the original motor, $5000+ in parts for the new motor, as well as my time and Brent's time. It has gotten way out of hand, and I do not want to get taken advantage of.

I am keeping a copy of this thread for my records so that I have the pictures and all of the priceless information that everyone has provided. I have not been able to run my car for awhile now because of this, but when it did run for those two weeks it ran extremely strong (as some people got to witness on the streets of Houston <img src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" border="0"> ).

Keep the comments coming. I am just hoping that Patterson will get to stumble upon this.


Ethan

MastaAce98

iTrader: (1)

Carlos: Thanks for the kind words bro!! Trust me, Brent is the guy to go to if you want a motor done. He knows the LS1 stuff in and out and has really learned a lot of great things from the school.

Sinco: Let me clarify. The motor had been running fine for about 8 months with the small cam. A 228/234 -- .539/.547 lift cam is *TINY* compared to what should really be in a stroker motor, especially the lift. That's why the motor lasted so long. After we pulled it apart and saw what happened, my first reaction was to go to the guy who built the motor to see what his explanation was. Why go talk to anybody else, except the engine builder? That wouldn't make sense. My motor was the first stroker LS1 that Xcessive had ever built, so they weren't sure what to look for with the pistons. Also, on a side note. Let's say you buy valvesprings and a shop installs them in your car. A few months later a valvespring breaks. Wouldn't it make more sense to call the vendor than the shop? Because in all actuality, if you go the shop....all they are going to do is call the vendor anyway, so why not call the vendor yourself? Think about it.

Larry: We'll see what happens bud. Check out the pictures from what happened to the motor....they're shocking. You'll see all the problems.


Ethan

chollowayss

what pictures?

MastaAce98

iTrader: (1)

As requested....here are the pictures from my engine tear-down. I took all of these this evening, and still had all of the parts lying around. Let me know if you guys have any questions. All comments are definitely welcome!!

Pictures of my motor destruction.


Ethan
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Toxic Texan

<img src="gr_eek2.gif" border="0"> Damn this is an eye opening thread here!!! I hope you get all your money back and then some. Good luck.

Nine Ball

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Man, that piston with the do-it-yourself valve relief tells everything. Definitely some incompetent LS1 builders, those SBC pistons are not even close to LS1 pistons!

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Tony

Pro Stock John

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The vertical scratches in the cylinder walls is from running too tight a ring gap. When the rings expanded the ends butted up and got forced out. My old motor had that problem.

Carlitos

DAMN!!! I remember you telling me you had some problems with the car but I never imagined it was that bad. Hope you get business taken care of.

'Los

Ethan ---> <img src="graemlins/gr_punch.gif" border="0" alt="[fight]" /> <---Patterson
Patterson losing business after this thread ---> <img src="graemlins/gr_cry.gif" border="0" alt="[whiner]" />

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