Help determine engine year
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Help determine engine year OK guys, I just received my LS1 pullout. Engine, T56, PCM and Harness supposedly from a 2002 Firebird. I think I got screwed from asapmotors.com. Please help me determine if this is the case.
Here are the details
Block casting number - 12570592
Has EGR mounted to pass front cyl head and attaches to top of intake mani
valve cover bolts go around perimeter not center
coils each mounted individually not to a bracket
There is a date on each cylinder head of 02/07/98
After hours of research, it looks like I have a 98 engine. I've been told this is not the engine to have for lots of power especially because the PCM is harder to program. Can any of you guys shed some light on this for me. Thanks in advance guys.
--Rick
Here are the details
Block casting number - 12570592
Has EGR mounted to pass front cyl head and attaches to top of intake mani
valve cover bolts go around perimeter not center
coils each mounted individually not to a bracket
There is a date on each cylinder head of 02/07/98
After hours of research, it looks like I have a 98 engine. I've been told this is not the engine to have for lots of power especially because the PCM is harder to program. Can any of you guys shed some light on this for me. Thanks in advance guys.
--Rick
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Pretty sure you have a 98 motor. How having a 98 motor will limit you really depends on your goals in perspective. Seems like people on this board make it seem as though the 98 LS1's cant and have never made good power.
thats a 98 motor.any ls1 can make great power and can be tuned to accept any mods you want to do to it.but if the seller said you were getting a 02 motor then i would be pissed.
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I'm more concerned with the whole package as a whole. I've heard that the 98 isn't as compatible with the tuners out there. For example, the predator works with the 99-02 cars. They may have one for the 98, but because the 99-02 predator won't work on the 98, it marks me a little nervous. What would you think a 98 pullout should cost? I paid 4,000 for the t56, engine, harness, and PCM. I think I over paid especially when they quoted me 4,000 for a 2002 firebird engine. Thanks guys.
Well, what car are you putting this motor in?
An LS1 motor is an LS1 motor. It's the PCM that makes it a 98 in this case. I don't think there are enough cam differences that you couldn't use a newer model PCM, and I am sure you can find one around. Besides, the PCM has the original vehicle's VIN in it. I am sure there is a way around that as well.
What would **** me off more is the condition of the motor, ie if I was told I was buying a low mile 2002 and got a high miles 98.
An LS1 motor is an LS1 motor. It's the PCM that makes it a 98 in this case. I don't think there are enough cam differences that you couldn't use a newer model PCM, and I am sure you can find one around. Besides, the PCM has the original vehicle's VIN in it. I am sure there is a way around that as well.
What would **** me off more is the condition of the motor, ie if I was told I was buying a low mile 2002 and got a high miles 98.
I belive the oil galleys are smaller and this is a problem if you spin the 98 motors to high also the pcm is tougher to tune due to the lack of options you can tune it that yr pcm.
As was stated before it depends on the year your putting it in.
But if you got the harness and pcm with this motor you better get some money back or send it back and get the motor you purchased.
As was stated before it depends on the year your putting it in.
But if you got the harness and pcm with this motor you better get some money back or send it back and get the motor you purchased.
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Well, what car are you putting this motor in?
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If you have a 98 harness you'll need to keep the 98 pcm or re pin the harness big pain but can be done.
If you are not going max effort like a solid roller spin to 8000 rpm you should be fine.
The oiling issues are only if you spin the motor super high. If you keep it around 6800 you should not have a problem. Also the pcm will not be an issue in less your going all out on a turbo or blower or a ton of n20 300+ shot.
If you are just doing a head and cam you should be fine.
Good luck
If you are not going max effort like a solid roller spin to 8000 rpm you should be fine.
The oiling issues are only if you spin the motor super high. If you keep it around 6800 you should not have a problem. Also the pcm will not be an issue in less your going all out on a turbo or blower or a ton of n20 300+ shot.
If you are just doing a head and cam you should be fine.
Good luck
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Verdad Gallardo Price was a bit high for a 98 setup being a 98 i'm sure it had a bit more miles.
Also a 2002 would get you a better intake manifold (ls6) instead of the ls1. It is a great upgrade for a head and cam car. it will cost you 350 to get one of these. Maybe they could send you one of these for some of the mistakes they made. The heads are also better on a 01-02 (241) casting flow much better then the 98 (806)casting.
You can tell them all the diffrences between the years.
Also a 2002 would get you a better intake manifold (ls6) instead of the ls1. It is a great upgrade for a head and cam car. it will cost you 350 to get one of these. Maybe they could send you one of these for some of the mistakes they made. The heads are also better on a 01-02 (241) casting flow much better then the 98 (806)casting.
You can tell them all the diffrences between the years.
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Originally Posted by Sunset01TA
If you have a 98 harness you'll need to keep the 98 pcm or re pin the harness big pain but can be done.
If you are not going max effort like a solid roller spin to 8000 rpm you should be fine.
The oiling issues are only if you spin the motor super high. If you keep it around 6800 you should not have a problem. Also the pcm will not be an issue in less your going all out on a turbo or blower or a ton of n20 300+ shot.
If you are just doing a head and cam you should be fine.
Good luck
If you are not going max effort like a solid roller spin to 8000 rpm you should be fine.
The oiling issues are only if you spin the motor super high. If you keep it around 6800 you should not have a problem. Also the pcm will not be an issue in less your going all out on a turbo or blower or a ton of n20 300+ shot.
If you are just doing a head and cam you should be fine.
Good luck
If you paid for a 2002 engine, thats what they should send you period !!!!!
Anything you have to do to compensate is going to cost you more time and money, not to mention that an older engine is likely to be in less desierable condition.
What they did is called bait and switch!
Don't let them get away with it!
Good luck I hope you get them to do the right thing for you.
Flyin Ryan
Anything you have to do to compensate is going to cost you more time and money, not to mention that an older engine is likely to be in less desierable condition.
What they did is called bait and switch!
Don't let them get away with it!
Good luck I hope you get them to do the right thing for you.
Flyin Ryan
Originally Posted by mazdarick
OK guys, I just received my LS1 pullout. Engine, T56, PCM and Harness supposedly from a 2002 Firebird. I think I got screwed from asapmotors.com. Please help me determine if this is the case.
Here are the details
Block casting number - 12570592
Has EGR mounted to pass front cyl head and attaches to top of intake mani
valve cover bolts go around perimeter not center
coils each mounted individually not to a bracket
There is a date on each cylinder head of 02/07/98
After hours of research, it looks like I have a 98 engine. I've been told this is not the engine to have for lots of power especially because the PCM is harder to program. Can any of you guys shed some light on this for me. Thanks in advance guys.
--Rick
Here are the details
Block casting number - 12570592
Has EGR mounted to pass front cyl head and attaches to top of intake mani
valve cover bolts go around perimeter not center
coils each mounted individually not to a bracket
There is a date on each cylinder head of 02/07/98
After hours of research, it looks like I have a 98 engine. I've been told this is not the engine to have for lots of power especially because the PCM is harder to program. Can any of you guys shed some light on this for me. Thanks in advance guys.
--Rick
Send that motor back. Have you called them yet to see what they have to say?
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Originally Posted by Bill Bowling
The 2001/2002 does not have EGR. They should know the difference between the 98 and 2002.
Send that motor back. Have you called them yet to see what they have to say?
Bill
Send that motor back. Have you called them yet to see what they have to say?
Bill
What you need to tell the CC company is that they committed fraud by selling you one thing and saying its something else. Most CC's have fraud protection.
That should get their attention
-Lurius
That should get their attention
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Originally Posted by Lurius
What you need to tell the CC company is that they committed fraud by selling you one thing and saying its something else. Most CC's have fraud protection.
That should get their attention
-Lurius
That should get their attention
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Originally Posted by Lurius
What you need to tell the CC company is that they committed fraud by selling you one thing and saying its something else. Most CC's have fraud protection.
That should get their attention
-Lurius
That should get their attention
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If you have solid proof that you ordered a 2002 engine and they sent you a 1998 engine, then that is fraud for them to misrepresent their products. Thread Starter
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Originally Posted by brad8266
If you have solid proof that you ordered a 2002 engine and they sent you a 1998 engine, then that is fraud for them to misrepresent their products.
Originally Posted by mazdarick
Yeah, my Invoice/packing slip says right on it 2002 Pontiac Firebird Complete Dropout Engine/trans/pcm/harness. Nice huh!!!
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Originally Posted by brad8266
All you would have to do now is have a GM dealer verify that it is not a 2002 dropout assembly.
Originally Posted by mazdarick
Done....It was identified by a very well know engine builder up here as a 98 LS1