Decided my cam parameters, now help me decide
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Decided my cam parameters, now help me decide I want the following out of the cam I buy:
best E.T. possible
badass idle and sound (112 LSA and split duration)
make peak power around 6600
work with stock heads
high end power is more important than low end
So, does anybody know what type of cam will suit me nicely? I want one that gives me a great E.T. and sound like a older musclecar. My car:
3.73s or 4.10s (depends on the cam), 3600 lbs, 4400 stall going in soon
Thanks a lot for any suggestions and info on where to buy them.
best E.T. possible
badass idle and sound (112 LSA and split duration)
make peak power around 6600
work with stock heads
high end power is more important than low end
So, does anybody know what type of cam will suit me nicely? I want one that gives me a great E.T. and sound like a older musclecar. My car:
3.73s or 4.10s (depends on the cam), 3600 lbs, 4400 stall going in soon
Thanks a lot for any suggestions and info on where to buy them.
Re: Decided my cam parameters, now help me decide It sounds like LG's "G5" cam would work perfectly for ya. Type in G5 for a search, and you'll get some info. There's also a post up now about a heads/cam car with this same cam. You might give them a call on it.
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Re: Decided my cam parameters, now help me decide I'm getting the G5 heads and cam package very soon! Definately go with the G5 cam, it's nasty. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="gr_images/icons/mad.gif" />
Re: Decided my cam parameters, now help me decide If you're looking for a cam with a really lumpy idle I hear the TR224 or G5 are a great way to go. If you want something smoother with more top end power, the MMS 229v2.1 is great.
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Re: Decided my cam parameters, now help me decide Nope, no 224 or 229 for him Terry, he wants a split pattern. (why, i dont know...)
But working within your cretiria, I would suggest the Comp XE-R lobes in a
intk 222 .581 (lobe #3721)
exst 226 .585 (lobe #3723)
on a 112 l/s with 4 degrees of advance ground in.
But working within your cretiria, I would suggest the Comp XE-R lobes in a
intk 222 .581 (lobe #3721)
exst 226 .585 (lobe #3723)
on a 112 l/s with 4 degrees of advance ground in.
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Re: Decided my cam parameters, now help me decide lol, I was told that a split pattern would give me more of the sound I want without sacrificing much, if any, power. But if that is an inaccurate statement, I will reconsider the split pattern idea. Thanks for the suggestions so far, keep them coming.
Re: Decided my cam parameters, now help me decide Pretty much any cam with a intake duration over 224 and a 112 lsa, single or dual pattern should give you the idle quality (or lack there of <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> ) that you are looking for.
There are two camps on the single vs. dual pattern cam. I am more of a fan of the single pattern myself. I just have not seen the proof yet that the duals make more power in an NA application. But I don't want to stray your thread. Good luck with your choice and enjoy!
Mark
There are two camps on the single vs. dual pattern cam. I am more of a fan of the single pattern myself. I just have not seen the proof yet that the duals make more power in an NA application. But I don't want to stray your thread. Good luck with your choice and enjoy!
Mark
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Re: Decided my cam parameters, now help me decide Raug, I was looking at the cam section on your site, and saw a cam that caught my eye. How does everyone think that the ARE 226/234 .554/.575 112 cam would suit my car? I will be getting some ported LS6 heads sometime in the future, so I would like the cam to work well with ported heads, also. Keep the suggestions coming, and give me your opinion on the above cam. Thanks a lot, I really appreciate it.
BTW, Raughammer, your website is awesome. It has helped me a lot as far as information and just entertainment. That is a beast of a car you have there.
BTW, Raughammer, your website is awesome. It has helped me a lot as far as information and just entertainment. That is a beast of a car you have there.
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Re: Decided my cam parameters, now help me decide </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Mike Morgan:
<strong>Well,
You want crazy idle with topend power?? I have to warn you, it will have a very crazy idle.
This cam operates in the 4000-7000 range and has a pretty narrow power band.
The specs are 235/235 .589"/.589" lift 110 LSA
You will need the 4400 stall. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Damn Mike!! Any track times/dyno results with this cam? That has to be nasty in a 346ci car. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
<strong>Well,
You want crazy idle with topend power?? I have to warn you, it will have a very crazy idle.
This cam operates in the 4000-7000 range and has a pretty narrow power band.
The specs are 235/235 .589"/.589" lift 110 LSA
You will need the 4400 stall. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Damn Mike!! Any track times/dyno results with this cam? That has to be nasty in a 346ci car. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
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Re: Decided my cam parameters, now help me decide </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Mike Morgan:
<strong>You want crazy idle with topend power?? I have to warn you, it will have a very crazy idle.
This cam operates in the 4000-7000 range and has a pretty narrow power band.
The specs are 235/235 .589"/.589" lift 110 LSA
You will need the 4400 stall. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Wow, those specs definately look like it would have an awesome idle. What kind of E.T. gain would you expect to see on a stock headed car? Any dyno #s? About where would the shift points need to be? If the cam is that awesome, I might have to look into building up my bottom end so that I could run it. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> But, if you guys think that this cam will be all sound and little go, then I would rather have performance than sound.
<small>[ March 18, 2002, 04:05 PM: Message edited by: quickWS6 ]</small>
<strong>You want crazy idle with topend power?? I have to warn you, it will have a very crazy idle.
This cam operates in the 4000-7000 range and has a pretty narrow power band.
The specs are 235/235 .589"/.589" lift 110 LSA
You will need the 4400 stall. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Wow, those specs definately look like it would have an awesome idle. What kind of E.T. gain would you expect to see on a stock headed car? Any dyno #s? About where would the shift points need to be? If the cam is that awesome, I might have to look into building up my bottom end so that I could run it. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> But, if you guys think that this cam will be all sound and little go, then I would rather have performance than sound.
<small>[ March 18, 2002, 04:05 PM: Message edited by: quickWS6 ]</small>
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Re: Decided my cam parameters, now help me decide quickWS6...
I get the impression the biggest factor you are considering in your cam selection is mainly a rough lopey idle.
Do you have headers? Just my opinion, but on a [stock headed] car with very minimal mods, your cam selection is wrong. You just cant slap in the biggest cam you can find in a basically bone stock engine and expect anything more than poor drivability (ie: poor throttle response, loss in low RPM torque, and unacceptable idle).
Well, you wont be the first person ever to overcam a stock motor. Back in the old days, many folks would also over-carb there cars too. Just find the biggest Holley double pumper carb that money could buy and put it on a stock motor and wonder where all the power went....
Not trying to preach to you, but, a rough, surging irratic idle with continual SES lights should not be a priority.
Just my opinion
Good Luck....
<small>[ March 18, 2002, 08:19 PM: Message edited by: Kimchee and Rice ]</small>
I get the impression the biggest factor you are considering in your cam selection is mainly a rough lopey idle.
Do you have headers? Just my opinion, but on a [stock headed] car with very minimal mods, your cam selection is wrong. You just cant slap in the biggest cam you can find in a basically bone stock engine and expect anything more than poor drivability (ie: poor throttle response, loss in low RPM torque, and unacceptable idle).
Well, you wont be the first person ever to overcam a stock motor. Back in the old days, many folks would also over-carb there cars too. Just find the biggest Holley double pumper carb that money could buy and put it on a stock motor and wonder where all the power went....
Not trying to preach to you, but, a rough, surging irratic idle with continual SES lights should not be a priority.
Just my opinion
Good Luck....
<small>[ March 18, 2002, 08:19 PM: Message edited by: Kimchee and Rice ]</small>
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Re: Decided my cam parameters, now help me decide Well, performance comes first. At first I wanted a very lopey idle, something that would impress even the big block guys. But I will be satisfied by just performing better than them, even if the sound isn't there. So, what about a streetable cam that will perform the best. Also, I do have Hooker longtube headers on order. So, maybe a mild single duration with good lift and a 112LSA would give me good performance and a nice lopey idle? I will get custom computer tuning after the cam install, BTW. Thanks for all the replies, and gor helping set me straight.
Also, I know what you are talking about overcarbing and overcamming. There is a 302 Z28 that a good friend of mine has with dual Holley 650s and a .600"+ lift cam. It does sound absolutely wonderful though. It runs dang nice, too. But I haven't been able to line up with him yet. So, I can see myself enjoying having a car that performs better but sounds like it shouldn't. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
Help me go like this----> <img border="0" alt="[Pontiac]" title="" src="graemlins/formula.gif" />
Also, I know what you are talking about overcarbing and overcamming. There is a 302 Z28 that a good friend of mine has with dual Holley 650s and a .600"+ lift cam. It does sound absolutely wonderful though. It runs dang nice, too. But I haven't been able to line up with him yet. So, I can see myself enjoying having a car that performs better but sounds like it shouldn't. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
Help me go like this----> <img border="0" alt="[Pontiac]" title="" src="graemlins/formula.gif" />
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Re: Decided my cam parameters, now help me decide So, how would the TR224 112LSA, the G5, or the MMS229 run in my situation? I might be getting ported heads at the same time if I decide to wait and save up enough money for all of it. Since Thunder Racing is the closest to me, how would a Stage II or III GTP heads with the TR224 do?
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Re: Decided my cam parameters, now help me decide Cool, thanks for the props, I have been adding to the cam page a lot today... i am glad it is helping some folks out.
That cam? Heck no. That is WAY to big for your application in my opinion.
One of your criteria was MAX E.T., Ask your self who is running "hella-fast" with that Cam? I am not saying it is a bad cam. But with your set up, I would not recommend it.
My advice? Keep looking. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
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That cam? Heck no. That is WAY to big for your application in my opinion.
One of your criteria was MAX E.T., Ask your self who is running "hella-fast" with that Cam? I am not saying it is a bad cam. But with your set up, I would not recommend it.
My advice? Keep looking. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
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Re: Decided my cam parameters, now help me decide "Hella-fast?"... Can't you Texans speak English?!
Split duration with stock heads isn't a bad thing. The add exhaust duration may not add to the peak power very much but it will certainly help extend the powerband. I would also pay very close attention to where the "installed" intake centerline is. 4 degrees of advance will defintely take away from the upper end. Straight-up may very likely make more power in the upper end.
QuickWS6... I'm also going with stock heads. For what it is worth I just received my XE-R grind. I went 224/228 112 110 0.581 0.588. I will be installing it on a 112 IC. I know some guys aren't into sims very much but I am and the simulator has always been very close on any combo I've ever compared against actual (assuming you give it accurate data). I spent alot of time simulating before I decided on the specs for the cam. The two graphs represent the same setup but with different lobe profiling (solid vs. roller). I would say the XE-R lobes will fall somewhere in between when it comes to actual. These sims were done with stock flow #s with the LS1 intake accounted for.
<img src="http://home.mpinet.net/trs/XE-R_224_228_SIM.gif" alt="" />
Tim
<small>[ March 18, 2002, 12:44 PM: Message edited by: TimZ28 ]</small>
Split duration with stock heads isn't a bad thing. The add exhaust duration may not add to the peak power very much but it will certainly help extend the powerband. I would also pay very close attention to where the "installed" intake centerline is. 4 degrees of advance will defintely take away from the upper end. Straight-up may very likely make more power in the upper end.
QuickWS6... I'm also going with stock heads. For what it is worth I just received my XE-R grind. I went 224/228 112 110 0.581 0.588. I will be installing it on a 112 IC. I know some guys aren't into sims very much but I am and the simulator has always been very close on any combo I've ever compared against actual (assuming you give it accurate data). I spent alot of time simulating before I decided on the specs for the cam. The two graphs represent the same setup but with different lobe profiling (solid vs. roller). I would say the XE-R lobes will fall somewhere in between when it comes to actual. These sims were done with stock flow #s with the LS1 intake accounted for.
<img src="http://home.mpinet.net/trs/XE-R_224_228_SIM.gif" alt="" />
Tim
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Re: Decided my cam parameters, now help me decide Well,
You want crazy idle with topend power?? I have to warn you, it will have a very crazy idle.
This cam operates in the 4000-7000 range and has a pretty narrow power band.
The specs are 235/235 .589"/.589" lift 110 LSA
You will need the 4400 stall. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
You want crazy idle with topend power?? I have to warn you, it will have a very crazy idle.
This cam operates in the 4000-7000 range and has a pretty narrow power band.
The specs are 235/235 .589"/.589" lift 110 LSA
You will need the 4400 stall. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
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Re: Decided my cam parameters, now help me decide Dang mike... now thats a cam! I agree... it will have one heck of a crazy idle.
jeeeez thats a studly cam. (too much for me!)
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jeeeez thats a studly cam. (too much for me!)
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Re: Decided my cam parameters, now help me decide ARE 226/234 .554/.575 112 is great <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
OnyxSS was running over 123+ mph with this cam, OnyxSS raceweight is approx 3500pounds as well. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
I am running this cam and LOVE it!
Another thing to note is that I am running it on stock tuning for now. Working great so far and the power difference is very noticeable over the B1 I was running earlier. (I did change heads at the same time however)
Hope this helps,
Chris
OnyxSS was running over 123+ mph with this cam, OnyxSS raceweight is approx 3500pounds as well. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
I am running this cam and LOVE it!
Another thing to note is that I am running it on stock tuning for now. Working great so far and the power difference is very noticeable over the B1 I was running earlier. (I did change heads at the same time however)
Hope this helps,
Chris
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Re: Decided my cam parameters, now help me decide Most any good 221 to 224 cam on a 112 will idle and lope very nice.
Couple that with some good stage 2 heads and you will have a very good performing set up.
For example, the MTI Hammer or C2 cam and MTI stage 2 heads would be a good combo. It works for me. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" />
Good luck.
Couple that with some good stage 2 heads and you will have a very good performing set up.
For example, the MTI Hammer or C2 cam and MTI stage 2 heads would be a good combo. It works for me. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" />
Good luck.
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Re: Decided my cam parameters, now help me decide Speed Inc. has a 224/224 .563/.563//112 cam that made 403rwhp thru an unlocked TP4400 with a set of 'Stage 2' heads that were ported locally with only full exhaust (FLPS->ORP->Loudmouth) and an SLP lid being the only other mods. I imagine it would make slightly more thru your LS6 heads.
Lopes really good.
Choosing the right Heads/Cam pkg. can take a long time, so take your time. You'll find something you like.. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
Lopes really good.
Choosing the right Heads/Cam pkg. can take a long time, so take your time. You'll find something you like.. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />