Back to the Cartek Z package.....
05-28-2002, 01:06 PM
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Re: Back to the Cartek Z package..... They are very nice numbers but I would like to know a couple of things <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
I would like to know if they are LS6 heads ($$$) or LS1 cores <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
Also is the cam bigger than 226 duration on either intake or exhaust side.
I think the car should run 125mph no problem with those dyno numbers and everything setup right.
Cheers,
Chris
I would like to know if they are LS6 heads ($$$) or LS1 cores <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
Also is the cam bigger than 226 duration on either intake or exhaust side.
I think the car should run 125mph no problem with those dyno numbers and everything setup right.
Cheers,
Chris
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Re: Back to the Cartek Z package..... Correction Terry, he said the cam was less than 230 duration and said they were aluminum heads. I don't believe he specified which heads or specific duration.
05-28-2002, 02:38 PM
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Re: Back to the Cartek Z package..... I think he said "less than 230 duration".
Terry-
Stop arguing with JS,the point is moot.
He doesn't understand that you are quicker.It's always "your car is lighter".
No ****! The ET is the ET.
Make more power or lose more weight, it's that simple.
it's all about the ET!
No offense,JS.But talk about YOUR ET's, not what another driver did in your car.
Terry's car would go quicker with a 100lb. girl driving it.
Of coarse your car would be faster if it were lighter,it would also be faster
on nitrous.
JS-you make more power
Terry-quicker in the 1320.(and the 1/8th)
That's just the facts.
Sorry if you don't agree with this, just my 2 cents.
Terry-
Stop arguing with JS,the point is moot.
He doesn't understand that you are quicker.It's always "your car is lighter".
No ****! The ET is the ET.
Make more power or lose more weight, it's that simple.
it's all about the ET!
No offense,JS.But talk about YOUR ET's, not what another driver did in your car.
Terry's car would go quicker with a 100lb. girl driving it.
Of coarse your car would be faster if it were lighter,it would also be faster
on nitrous.
JS-you make more power
Terry-quicker in the 1320.(and the 1/8th)
That's just the facts.
Sorry if you don't agree with this, just my 2 cents.
05-28-2002, 02:49 PM
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Re: Back to the Cartek Z package..... Here's what Tekhombre stated:
Here is some information I can provide.
It's a stock and untouched bottom end 346 CID, it has a hydraulic roller cam with less than 230 duration, Z06 intake (no "R" heads), cold air package, TPIS headers, Borla exhaust, UD pulley.
He also said the heads are aluminum but didn't share whether they were LS1 or LS6 heads. My vote is for LS6 heads <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
Here is some information I can provide.
It's a stock and untouched bottom end 346 CID, it has a hydraulic roller cam with less than 230 duration, Z06 intake (no "R" heads), cold air package, TPIS headers, Borla exhaust, UD pulley.
He also said the heads are aluminum but didn't share whether they were LS1 or LS6 heads. My vote is for LS6 heads <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
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Re: Back to the Cartek Z package..... Terry,
Just because MMS has to rely on a radical cam to get some power from there inefficient heads doesn't mean cartek does the same. cartek's head design is good enough where they don't need a huge cam. I was told the duration was far below the 230 mark for the "z" package cam.
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Just because MMS has to rely on a radical cam to get some power from there inefficient heads doesn't mean cartek does the same. cartek's head design is good enough where they don't need a huge cam. I was told the duration was far below the 230 mark for the "z" package cam.
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Re: Back to the Cartek Z package..... Terry thanks for having my cartek thread closed!! A guy cant enjoy his NEW HP 3's with out you making negative comments. Stay out of any threads that have to do with cartek or myself in the near future. You dont shine any light on cartek but only attempt to destroy their rep with your mouth diarrhea. Just accept the fact that my car has 10 second potential N/A....and it will do it with proof SOON!! I just cant figure you out man!!
Could it be that you were laughed at as you were growing up for having a first name <terry> of a woman???? Or could it have been that your last name was Burger?? I guess I would be upset too knowing I was named after cooked beef patty and you always hearing the girls say "wheres the beef?""
My conclusion:
Terry is really a woman that is constantly complaining and PMSING.
Burger aint nothing but beef and the slang for beef is to complain.
Put both names together and you get TERRY BURGER======THE BIGGEST F*CKING COMPLAINER ON THE FORUM.!!
HAVE A NICE DAY!!
Could it be that you were laughed at as you were growing up for having a first name <terry> of a woman???? Or could it have been that your last name was Burger?? I guess I would be upset too knowing I was named after cooked beef patty and you always hearing the girls say "wheres the beef?""
My conclusion:
Terry is really a woman that is constantly complaining and PMSING.
Burger aint nothing but beef and the slang for beef is to complain.
Put both names together and you get TERRY BURGER======THE BIGGEST F*CKING COMPLAINER ON THE FORUM.!!
HAVE A NICE DAY!!
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Re: Back to the Cartek Z package..... 229? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
Just Kidding <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
I am genuinely curious as to the answer of my Q's above. LS6 heads or LS1? 226+ duration intake or exhaust?
Cheers,
Chris
ps- I think you will hit 125mph in that car
<small>[ May 28, 2002, 03:13 PM: Message edited by: Chris ARE 360 ]</small>
Just Kidding <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
I am genuinely curious as to the answer of my Q's above. LS6 heads or LS1? 226+ duration intake or exhaust?
Cheers,
Chris
ps- I think you will hit 125mph in that car
<small>[ May 28, 2002, 03:13 PM: Message edited by: Chris ARE 360 ]</small>
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Re: Back to the Cartek Z package..... </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">
Just because MMS has to rely on a radical cam to get some power from there inefficient heads doesn't mean cartek does the same. cartek's head design is good enough where they don't need a huge cam. I was told the duration was far below the 230 mark for the "z" package cam.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Why would he say under 230 degrees if it wasn't a 229.9 duration cam? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> My MMS 229v2.1 pulls down 15" of vacuum at ~925rpm idle. What does Carteks "z" package cam pull?
RE: JS's setup. Why does his 224 112ls camshaft have a higher power peak than my 229 114ls camshaft? Why did he switch to 4.56 gears and a 4600rpm stall? Why does he moan about his weight but never mentions he can pull 1.4 60' times and has -100 da at his track?
(EDIT) Deleted last line. Don't want to bench race. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
<small>[ May 28, 2002, 03:31 PM: Message edited by: Terry Burger ]</small>
Just because MMS has to rely on a radical cam to get some power from there inefficient heads doesn't mean cartek does the same. cartek's head design is good enough where they don't need a huge cam. I was told the duration was far below the 230 mark for the "z" package cam.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Why would he say under 230 degrees if it wasn't a 229.9 duration cam? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> My MMS 229v2.1 pulls down 15" of vacuum at ~925rpm idle. What does Carteks "z" package cam pull?
RE: JS's setup. Why does his 224 112ls camshaft have a higher power peak than my 229 114ls camshaft? Why did he switch to 4.56 gears and a 4600rpm stall? Why does he moan about his weight but never mentions he can pull 1.4 60' times and has -100 da at his track?
(EDIT) Deleted last line. Don't want to bench race. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
<small>[ May 28, 2002, 03:31 PM: Message edited by: Terry Burger ]</small>
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Re: Back to the Cartek Z package..... I saw the car idleing at 850 rpm with no stumble(unlike the MMS Top Fuel cam), so I would guess that it would pull better vacuum numbers than you.
Maybe if MMS used real valve springs on the dyno to keep seat pressures down. keeping seat pressures down will show better numbers on the dyno since you wouldn't be paristically sucking from the already low rwhp numbers. Then maybe you could rev it higher to the 7300 rpm mark where you actually would make the power. Instead of nosing over on the top early. That cam must shake that car. You should change your name to Terry "My car idles like a pro stock" Burger. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
So Terry, tell me this. Why is it that we only hear about your car. Where are all the other MMS cars. I don't see anyone else running any type of numbers from MMS. Maybe MMS doesn't have any fast cars...hmmm. just a thought. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
Max
"My car idles better than Terry's, and I like to race only in the 8th mile" <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />
Maybe if MMS used real valve springs on the dyno to keep seat pressures down. keeping seat pressures down will show better numbers on the dyno since you wouldn't be paristically sucking from the already low rwhp numbers. Then maybe you could rev it higher to the 7300 rpm mark where you actually would make the power. Instead of nosing over on the top early. That cam must shake that car. You should change your name to Terry "My car idles like a pro stock" Burger. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
So Terry, tell me this. Why is it that we only hear about your car. Where are all the other MMS cars. I don't see anyone else running any type of numbers from MMS. Maybe MMS doesn't have any fast cars...hmmm. just a thought. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
Max
"My car idles better than Terry's, and I like to race only in the 8th mile" <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />
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Re: Back to the Cartek Z package..... </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">
I saw the car idleing at 850 rpm with no stumble(unlike the MMS Top Fuel cam), so I would guess that it would pull better vacuum numbers than you.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That's a load of crap. I have the ***** to lay it out on the line and POST my vacuum number. Anyone can measure their vacuum. If you're smart enough you can even determine it from an autotap log. I don't want to hear about these meaningless subjective idle quality measurements. Hook the gauge up and give us the number. I assume if you don't give me the number there is a reason for it, or maybe Cartek doesn't know how to use a vacuum gauge?.
For the record several guys have heard my cam idle and commented on how tame it is.
As long as we're comparing things my 2001 A4 (unlocked TP4400) runs about the same MPH as that 460rwhp C5 with the Cartek "z" package, and I have full slicks and a 1800' DA. I doubt our race weights are different.
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Maybe if MMS used real valve springs on the dyno to keep seat pressures down. keeping seat pressures down will show better numbers on the dyno since you wouldn't be paristically sucking from the already low rwhp numbers. Then maybe you could rev it higher to the 7300 rpm mark where you actually would make the power.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You mean parasitically? All indications are with my car that I have no valve control issues. I don't know what my seat pressure is or what Cartek's seat pressure is (frankly I don't think its relevant because it is not a variable, its determined by the cam and valve design) but given the choice of running just enough spring or too much, I'd take just enough any day.
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My car idles better than Terry's, and I like to race only in the 8th mile
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Unless you run 6.95 or quicker be prepared to lose!
I saw the car idleing at 850 rpm with no stumble(unlike the MMS Top Fuel cam), so I would guess that it would pull better vacuum numbers than you.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That's a load of crap. I have the ***** to lay it out on the line and POST my vacuum number. Anyone can measure their vacuum. If you're smart enough you can even determine it from an autotap log. I don't want to hear about these meaningless subjective idle quality measurements. Hook the gauge up and give us the number. I assume if you don't give me the number there is a reason for it, or maybe Cartek doesn't know how to use a vacuum gauge?.
For the record several guys have heard my cam idle and commented on how tame it is.
As long as we're comparing things my 2001 A4 (unlocked TP4400) runs about the same MPH as that 460rwhp C5 with the Cartek "z" package, and I have full slicks and a 1800' DA. I doubt our race weights are different.
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Maybe if MMS used real valve springs on the dyno to keep seat pressures down. keeping seat pressures down will show better numbers on the dyno since you wouldn't be paristically sucking from the already low rwhp numbers. Then maybe you could rev it higher to the 7300 rpm mark where you actually would make the power.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You mean parasitically? All indications are with my car that I have no valve control issues. I don't know what my seat pressure is or what Cartek's seat pressure is (frankly I don't think its relevant because it is not a variable, its determined by the cam and valve design) but given the choice of running just enough spring or too much, I'd take just enough any day.
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My car idles better than Terry's, and I like to race only in the 8th mile
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Unless you run 6.95 or quicker be prepared to lose!
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Re: Back to the Cartek Z package..... Are you mad Terry? I don't see anymore winking smily faces...did I hurt your feelings. If I did I'm sorry. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> Just poiunting out the obvious.
What is you obsession with these vacuum gauges, is that the only tool that MMS knows how to use. I guess so, seeing the sad hp numbers.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">For the record several guys have heard my cam idle and commented on how tame it is.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well isn't that a subjective quality remark. Please don't contradict yourself. It really undermines the quality of the conversation we are having.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> You mean parasitically? </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ooops...I missed the "i"...lol. oh well.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> frankly I don't think its relevant because it is not a variable </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Frankly it is a variable once you consider longevity of the engine. Just ask how important it is to those unhappy MMS customers with broken valve springs. Why did those springs break anyways? maybe that huge cam was too much for those wimpy little springs.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Unless you run 6.95 or quicker be prepared to lose! </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Remember the race is to the end of the quarter, not the 8th. Regardless you won't be able to duplicate those numbers over here in Jersey, since your 13.5:1 compression won't work at sea level(you'll ping to death) and there are too many people around to see you hit it with a 50 shot to get that number again.
What is you obsession with these vacuum gauges, is that the only tool that MMS knows how to use. I guess so, seeing the sad hp numbers.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">For the record several guys have heard my cam idle and commented on how tame it is.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well isn't that a subjective quality remark. Please don't contradict yourself. It really undermines the quality of the conversation we are having.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> You mean parasitically? </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ooops...I missed the "i"...lol. oh well.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> frankly I don't think its relevant because it is not a variable </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Frankly it is a variable once you consider longevity of the engine. Just ask how important it is to those unhappy MMS customers with broken valve springs. Why did those springs break anyways? maybe that huge cam was too much for those wimpy little springs.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Unless you run 6.95 or quicker be prepared to lose! </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Remember the race is to the end of the quarter, not the 8th. Regardless you won't be able to duplicate those numbers over here in Jersey, since your 13.5:1 compression won't work at sea level(you'll ping to death) and there are too many people around to see you hit it with a 50 shot to get that number again.
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Re: Back to the Cartek Z package..... </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">
Are you mad Terry? I don't see anymore winking smily faces...did I hurt your feelings. If I did I'm sorry. Just poiunting out the obvious.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I don't get mad over Internet conversations. Also an independent observer would be hard pressed to cite any of your ramblings as "poiunts". <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
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Well isn't that a subjective quality remark. Please don't contradict yourself. It really undermines the quality of the conversation we are having.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Subjective quality marks are meaningless and should not be used. Unfortunately I don't control the criteria here. If others insist on considering subjective remarks I'm not going to omit them from the record. Any rational person should ignore them and insist to only review factual based measurements like idle vacuum.
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Frankly it is a variable once you consider longevity of the engine. Just ask how important it is to those unhappy MMS customers with broken valve springs. Why did those springs break anyways? maybe that huge cam was too much for those wimpy little springs.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">No one mentioned longevity arguments here, you're off topic. As long as you've strayed us away lots of people seem to have problems with single valve springs breaking, not just clients of MMS. I personally have bought two sets of LS1 heads from MMS and I have never had a valve spring failure. That is the extent of my knowledge on that off topic subject.
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Remember the race is to the end of the quarter, not the 8th. Regardless you won't be able to duplicate those numbers over here in Jersey, since your 13.5:1 compression won't work at sea level(you'll ping to death) and there are too many people around to see you hit it with a 50 shot to get that number again.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Let me guess now you're going to explain how although I am a full second quicker than you to the 1/8th mile somehow your car is magically going to defy the physics of drag racing and come back to win? I don't think so. Assuming no mechanical problems, traction problems, or other funny business your 1/4 mile time is approximately equal to 1.575 your 1/8th mile time. Is running a 6.95 enough to say you ran a 10 second quarter mile? Of course not, only an idiot would argue that point. Is running a 6.95 enough to say you have 10 second potential? Most members here (myself included) agree it is.
So hot shot what's your 1/8th mile ET? Or any ET for that matter? … and don't start off with the excuses. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
Are you mad Terry? I don't see anymore winking smily faces...did I hurt your feelings. If I did I'm sorry. Just poiunting out the obvious.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I don't get mad over Internet conversations. Also an independent observer would be hard pressed to cite any of your ramblings as "poiunts". <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
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Well isn't that a subjective quality remark. Please don't contradict yourself. It really undermines the quality of the conversation we are having.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Subjective quality marks are meaningless and should not be used. Unfortunately I don't control the criteria here. If others insist on considering subjective remarks I'm not going to omit them from the record. Any rational person should ignore them and insist to only review factual based measurements like idle vacuum.
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Frankly it is a variable once you consider longevity of the engine. Just ask how important it is to those unhappy MMS customers with broken valve springs. Why did those springs break anyways? maybe that huge cam was too much for those wimpy little springs.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">No one mentioned longevity arguments here, you're off topic. As long as you've strayed us away lots of people seem to have problems with single valve springs breaking, not just clients of MMS. I personally have bought two sets of LS1 heads from MMS and I have never had a valve spring failure. That is the extent of my knowledge on that off topic subject.
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Remember the race is to the end of the quarter, not the 8th. Regardless you won't be able to duplicate those numbers over here in Jersey, since your 13.5:1 compression won't work at sea level(you'll ping to death) and there are too many people around to see you hit it with a 50 shot to get that number again.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Let me guess now you're going to explain how although I am a full second quicker than you to the 1/8th mile somehow your car is magically going to defy the physics of drag racing and come back to win? I don't think so. Assuming no mechanical problems, traction problems, or other funny business your 1/4 mile time is approximately equal to 1.575 your 1/8th mile time. Is running a 6.95 enough to say you ran a 10 second quarter mile? Of course not, only an idiot would argue that point. Is running a 6.95 enough to say you have 10 second potential? Most members here (myself included) agree it is.
So hot shot what's your 1/8th mile ET? Or any ET for that matter? … and don't start off with the excuses. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
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Re: Back to the Cartek Z package..... </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">
Terry, what vacuum does a stock LS1 cam pull in the F and Y -bodies? I'm just curious to compare for a #'s comparison.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">It's hard to get an apples to apples because the stock A4 idle RPM is 600 and I run a 925rpm idle RPM now. Another guy posted ~18" at 600rpm though.
Terry, what vacuum does a stock LS1 cam pull in the F and Y -bodies? I'm just curious to compare for a #'s comparison.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">It's hard to get an apples to apples because the stock A4 idle RPM is 600 and I run a 925rpm idle RPM now. Another guy posted ~18" at 600rpm though.
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Re: Back to the Cartek Z package..... </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">
Remember the race is to the end of the quarter, not the 8th. Regardless you won't be able to duplicate those numbers over here in Jersey, since your 13.5:1 compression won't work at sea level(you'll ping to death) and there are too many people around to see you hit it with a 50 shot to get that number again.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">FYI I run 11.3:1 CR, and 91 octane gas. At the track I always try to add 1-2 gallons of 100 octane UL to the car just to be safe. I run 26 degrees of timing and don't ping.
Remember the race is to the end of the quarter, not the 8th. Regardless you won't be able to duplicate those numbers over here in Jersey, since your 13.5:1 compression won't work at sea level(you'll ping to death) and there are too many people around to see you hit it with a 50 shot to get that number again.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">FYI I run 11.3:1 CR, and 91 octane gas. At the track I always try to add 1-2 gallons of 100 octane UL to the car just to be safe. I run 26 degrees of timing and don't ping.
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Re: Back to the Cartek Z package..... </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Wide Open Throttle:
<strong>Are you mad Terry? I don't see anymore winking smily faces...did I hurt your feelings. If I did I'm sorry. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> Just poiunting out the obvious.
What is you obsession with these vacuum gauges, is that the only tool that MMS knows how to use. I guess so, seeing the sad hp numbers.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">For the record several guys have heard my cam idle and commented on how tame it is.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well isn't that a subjective quality remark. Please don't contradict yourself. It really undermines the quality of the conversation we are having.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> You mean parasitically? </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ooops...I missed the "i"...lol. oh well.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> frankly I don't think its relevant because it is not a variable </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Frankly it is a variable once you consider longevity of the engine. Just ask how important it is to those unhappy MMS customers with broken valve springs. Why did those springs break anyways? maybe that huge cam was too much for those wimpy little springs.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Unless you run 6.95 or quicker be prepared to lose! </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Remember the race is to the end of the quarter, not the 8th. Regardless you won't be able to duplicate those numbers over here in Jersey, since your 13.5:1 compression won't work at sea level(you'll ping to death) and there are too many people around to see you hit it with a 50 shot to get that number again.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I know what Terryble's obsession with vacuum is... and I bet he know how much his "Swedish made pen1$ enlarger pump" pulls...
<strong>Are you mad Terry? I don't see anymore winking smily faces...did I hurt your feelings. If I did I'm sorry. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> Just poiunting out the obvious.
What is you obsession with these vacuum gauges, is that the only tool that MMS knows how to use. I guess so, seeing the sad hp numbers.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">For the record several guys have heard my cam idle and commented on how tame it is.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well isn't that a subjective quality remark. Please don't contradict yourself. It really undermines the quality of the conversation we are having.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> You mean parasitically? </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ooops...I missed the "i"...lol. oh well.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> frankly I don't think its relevant because it is not a variable </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Frankly it is a variable once you consider longevity of the engine. Just ask how important it is to those unhappy MMS customers with broken valve springs. Why did those springs break anyways? maybe that huge cam was too much for those wimpy little springs.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Unless you run 6.95 or quicker be prepared to lose! </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Remember the race is to the end of the quarter, not the 8th. Regardless you won't be able to duplicate those numbers over here in Jersey, since your 13.5:1 compression won't work at sea level(you'll ping to death) and there are too many people around to see you hit it with a 50 shot to get that number again.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I know what Terryble's obsession with vacuum is... and I bet he know how much his "Swedish made pen1$ enlarger pump" pulls...
