need help with cam
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need help with cam i need some helping deciding on a cam. i havent bought anything in a while for my car and i need to buy something now <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> i dont know anything about cams so i dont even know what to look for.
the mods are in the sig. it has to pass emissions in IL, unless i can register it to a place that doesnt check. i want a nice power increase prolly in the higher rpm range cause the converter makes traction an issue as it is, and the converter kinda kills my topend. i really dont want to change converters and i want to keep a 3.23/3.42 gear. obivously i cant have a wild crazy cam cause of emissions... what kind of power/et increase would i see with a cam only.
i need the lope!
the mods are in the sig. it has to pass emissions in IL, unless i can register it to a place that doesnt check. i want a nice power increase prolly in the higher rpm range cause the converter makes traction an issue as it is, and the converter kinda kills my topend. i really dont want to change converters and i want to keep a 3.23/3.42 gear. obivously i cant have a wild crazy cam cause of emissions... what kind of power/et increase would i see with a cam only.
i need the lope!
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Re: need help with cam I would give thunder racing a call and order their 220/220 camshaft on a 114 lsa.You can also call MTI which is more expensive but they have great camshafts as well.I am not sure how much the cam kit is but thunders is 699.99 with everything except for titanium retainers which you will have to add another 100 bucks for them.
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Re: need help with cam </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Ryan:
<strong>you dont need aftermarket retainers with comp 918's.
dont be a puss...get a TR230/224
or at least a 226/226 5xx/5xx 110</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">He has to pass emissions.I am not sure if those cams will even on a 114lsa.
<strong>you dont need aftermarket retainers with comp 918's.
dont be a puss...get a TR230/224
or at least a 226/226 5xx/5xx 110</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">He has to pass emissions.I am not sure if those cams will even on a 114lsa.
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Re: need help with cam Thats the same cam I have.... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
Its very good... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
Its very good... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
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Re: need help with cam </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by DriveATransAm:
<strong>what kind of power increase will i be looking at with a 222/222 563/563 cam? hp and maybe ET <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
thats what tom at speed inc suggested <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> . ooh boy am i exctied.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">This cam should pass emissions through cats. Should be a nice power gain. Get 26918 springs to match, and if you plan to rev real high (6600+) the 772 ti retainers might be a good choice. The stock retainers will work fine, but the lighter weight 772s are nice for high rpm operation to keep the potential for valve float away. Also prolong spring life. Honestly though, with a 222/222//.563/.563 you could probably rev as high as you want with stock retainers and be ok. I don’t think anyone has floated 26918s with cam specs like those at decent rpms...
Tom makes good recommendations. I would push it a little farther though and go for a 224/224 on a .56X lift. 114lsa. That will probably be as big as you can go and still pass emissions. 224 will let you take a little more advantage of your LS6 intake and make great street power. Get a ported TB while your at it too (if you don’t already have one).
<strong>what kind of power increase will i be looking at with a 222/222 563/563 cam? hp and maybe ET <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
thats what tom at speed inc suggested <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> . ooh boy am i exctied.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">This cam should pass emissions through cats. Should be a nice power gain. Get 26918 springs to match, and if you plan to rev real high (6600+) the 772 ti retainers might be a good choice. The stock retainers will work fine, but the lighter weight 772s are nice for high rpm operation to keep the potential for valve float away. Also prolong spring life. Honestly though, with a 222/222//.563/.563 you could probably rev as high as you want with stock retainers and be ok. I don’t think anyone has floated 26918s with cam specs like those at decent rpms...
Tom makes good recommendations. I would push it a little farther though and go for a 224/224 on a .56X lift. 114lsa. That will probably be as big as you can go and still pass emissions. 224 will let you take a little more advantage of your LS6 intake and make great street power. Get a ported TB while your at it too (if you don’t already have one).
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Re: need help with cam whats the difference between the 222 and the 224? difference in power/power band? i want something lopey and sounds cool <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
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Re: need help with cam i was throwing around the idea of getting a pair cheaper heads as long as i had the engine apart...but i think it would be better to wait for more cash and get a nicer set of heads. right now i dont think i could afford a port job on a stock head <img border="0" title="" alt="[Sad]" src="gr_sad.gif" /> . why do you ask <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
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Re: need help with cam im thinking a TR 224 with a 112 lsa. how bad will that fail emssisions, affect drivabilty? is it possible to tune it to pass with ls1 edit? i still ahve another couple years though, its an 01 bought in october.
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Re: need help with cam what kind of power increase will i be looking at with a 222/222 563/563 cam? hp and maybe ET <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
thats what tom at speed inc suggested <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> . ooh boy am i exctied.
thats what tom at speed inc suggested <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> . ooh boy am i exctied.
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Re: need help with cam I don’t think a 224 on a 112lsa will pass. It might with tuning, but it would be very close and you’d need like 4 cats probably...
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Re: need help with cam I would stick with a 114lsa. I know the 112s sound nice, but for an auto why not get the improved idle quality of a 114? You’re gonna have a rough time keeping the car idling in gear with a 112 even with a raised idle when you turn the A/C on, if you’re planning to keep the AC that is.
112 won’t really give you any power over a 114 in the 222/224 duration range, IMO. 112 will be “peakier” and maybe give you a hair more low end torque, but what do you need with 3000rpm and less TQ for with your stall anyway... I’d get the 114...
<small>[ June 19, 2002, 07:48 AM: Message edited by: RPM WS6 ]</small>
112 won’t really give you any power over a 114 in the 222/224 duration range, IMO. 112 will be “peakier” and maybe give you a hair more low end torque, but what do you need with 3000rpm and less TQ for with your stall anyway... I’d get the 114...
<small>[ June 19, 2002, 07:48 AM: Message edited by: RPM WS6 ]</small>
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Re: need help with cam 112 sounds cool <img border="0" title="" alt="[Embarrassed]" src="gr_emb.gif" />
i cant even hear bos cam <img border="0" alt="[boring]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_zzz.gif" />
i cant even hear bos cam <img border="0" alt="[boring]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_zzz.gif" />
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Re: need help with cam You can clearly hear a TR224 cam with a 114lsa even through a dual/dual on a 900rpm idle. I know this for a fact. One of our cars has it <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
Emissions sucks. I'm looking for a way around that issue myself <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
Emissions sucks. I'm looking for a way around that issue myself <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
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Re: need help with cam i dont have to go for emissions for another 3 years <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" />
think i can come hear a 114 cammed car soon <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
im really liking the 112 idea. and who said i had a dual dual <img border="0" title="" alt="[Embarrassed]" src="gr_emb.gif" />
think i can come hear a 114 cammed car soon <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
im really liking the 112 idea. and who said i had a dual dual <img border="0" title="" alt="[Embarrassed]" src="gr_emb.gif" />