98blackSS

Blackmagic, what all mods do you have done? exhaust? Good numbers, I'm installing my hotcam now. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

98blackSS

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Damian:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by 98blackSS:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Damian:
<strong>The thunder cam will KILL the Hotcam at every RPM and idle better.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Please explain.. What's your definition of "kill" and throw out some HP differences.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">"Kill" = Make more power at every rpm. The Hotcam is a hit or miss. Most don't make much power with it, while very few actually make decent power. I have seen 3 or 4 Hotcam cars dyno, and none made anything impressive. There are TR cammed cars making 390-400 rwhp w/ STOCK heads.

FWIW, I have raced 2 Hotcammed cars. Busted both their ***'s w/ my puny bolt on 98 <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

josh</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Pretty much what I thought. No numbers, no proof, nothing to back up the hotcam bashing which is so typical on these boards. Do I think a TR224 would outperform a HC? You bet. Would it "kill" a HC in performance. Well, I guess that depends on your definition of kill. Guys like blackmagic and JSR have done quite well with it. I certainly don't believe it's only going to work in a few cars as you state. That sounds like a tuning issue to me. It's all what you want out of a cam I guess. I'll stick with my nonperforming HC. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

02 Silver Z

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11.6`s at 119!!! Those #`s are awsome with what little he has into it. If I can even get close to those E.T.`s with one of those "non-performing" HOT cams, I`ll take one! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> Thanks for the feed back fellas.

J'sRamAir

I believe Visceral? is making around 400rwhp with stock heads with the Hotcam as well. I wanted a Hotcam too, but I found a great deal on a T1. The T1 will make more power and idle better...especially with stock programming.

JC

The hotcam is the best for the money. I made 371/377 on a 00Z (ls1 intake), ported TB, MAC/ORY,lid, cutout,MAFT.

7.8@92 w/1.91 60 (1/8 mile)

12.3@115 w/2.0 60 (1/4mile) 1/8 was 8.0 on that run

BUT this cam isn't better than the TR224. If you want to save money get the HC.

I have a TR224 waiting to go in my A4TA, If the H- cam idled better in an A4 it would be going in instead of the 224

LS1powerN20

I have the hot cam in my car but I haven't had a chance to get some numbers, but I can say that I felt a HUGE SOTP difference. I was very impressed with the low end torque and high end torque. I'm not sure if I could feel any difference in the mid-range, but the lower and upper make up for it <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

WFO_SS

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IF i were doing it over, i'd go w/:
a) TR224 or
b) hammer cam or
c) ARE cam.
however, i work @ a dealership & got mine REALLY cheap. don't get me wrong, i like it. plus, i don't have the valvespring issues the other cams have (never heard of a spring breaking w/ hotcam.)

<small>[ April 09, 2002, 04:26 PM: Message edited by: WFO_SS ]</small>

PBJ

Thanks for all of the responses !!! I am going to order the TR224 on a 114 center. From what everybody says, the idle is very similar on a 114 & 112 and the nitrous will work a little better on the 114 center. So hopefully in a week or two, I will be posting some low 11 second timeslips.
Thanks again,
Joe

Tim 98z

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I love my hotcam! I'm also in the process of one of those Lowbuck build ups. Heads are at the port shop now. (buddy's shop) i just bought some used 98 heads for him to port no down time. Ill see what i can get out of the HotCam with some good heads and 2.02/1.56 manley valves. I didnt Dyno really high in piticular but have 0 tuning not even hpp3. Stock screened maf, stock intake, stock tb. I make enuf power to break 3 10 bolts. 12 bolt now! (which held me up for a while since im a cheap b@$#erd)
I ran low/mid 12's (10.3's@104MPH in the 1000'never ran an actual 1/4 we are behind times here in arkansas hehe) on nitto's with a 2.0 60' ( i cant drive) No good runs after the headders i plan on dropping that a little <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> I'll know Fri. Any how i make 358.7/360tq corrected on the dyno now.
I'm not complaining. Shift at about 6100-6200 dont have to reve the crap out of the motor to get power. MY Dyno sheet goes above 350 rwhp at 5600 and stays there till my 6400 limiter!
Just my little story.. Tim 98z
P.S. not saying any cam is better just letting you decide. Thunder's 224 seems like a very good cam!!

Dr. Jeckel

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I just bought a Hot Cam kit off a guy for $350 shipped(brand new). The selling points for me WAS the lopey/rough idle and especially paying half the price. Now everyone says that they can get more hp outta other cams but at way more cost. Also with other cams you get top end power and give up some mid-range power. The people who have done the swap from the Hot Cam to other cams vouch for this. I for one and doing minor port work to the heads to go along with the cam and Mac's. If you go to big sometimes you can get disappointed. But think about spending half the money and maybe running 1 tenth slower than a car with a TR224 or comparative. I'm not trying to say that the other cams don't make as much HP because they do but i just think that spending way more $ isn't worth 10-15hp more from 5500 to 7000rpm. This is just my opinion and i can't wait to try out the new combo. I've learned to be happy with your choices or you will change them and pay for it. I for one am happy about mine. The key is to be happy about yours.

99SS1857

The reason I like my HotCam is that it makes great power with stock heads, stock pcm tuning, and it runs out of power before the stock rotating assembly gernades. The other set-ups may make 10 or 20 more PEAK horsepower but the HotCam does not have valve spring issues, and gets all the power available from stock everything else.
I have TTS headers, LS6 intake, cats installed with front and back o2s. No SES light. My car is heavier than when I got it and has run 12.11@114
When I get a strong bottom end that will spin 7500 then the HotCam will no longer be any use to me. Why spin a 6000 rpm motor 6500+ for ten horsepower? For the money spent on tuning, valve springs etc. the 224 cam is more powerful but the dollar per horsepower ratio is an issue for me. A high reving ported head car is one thing but for stock innards, the HotCam works well
TC

Raven

You can add me to the Hot Cam Owners List <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" /> I just ordered a kit from SDPC - for $400 shipped you can't beat the price! After reading dozens of threads on the hot cam I have decided that it was the best value for me and my needs / plans.

Right now my car is making 331 RWHP / 340 TQ. I would like to get up to (or close to) 360 RWHP with the Hot Cam (and maybe some pcm tuning). Is this unreasonable to expect? Here are my power mods:

Free Ram Air, SLP Lid / K&N, SLP 85mm MAF, SLP Bellows, LS6 intake, SLP LTs with cats, Loudmouth CatBack, NGK plugs, MSD 8.5mm wires.

I also have an A4 w/ 3.73 rear end.

What kind of power do you guys think i will make with this combination?

TIA,

-Bradster
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Dr. Jeckel

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I expect 20-30hp is reasonable with this cam.....some people get way more and some get less, but thats how it seems to go with all the cams. Everybody has a good and bad story. Thats why it is best to get all the info you can and derive your own conclusions.

C_Williams

Add me to the HotCam happy list 405/391 with long tubes, ls6 intake, stage 1 heads. Low budget deal with high end results.

Bout'ItZ28

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hm, when i switched my hotcam to my 224 on a 114 lsa i lost ~.2 and ~1.5mph. and i am going to buy another pretty soon

Raven

C5 Corvette,

those are some awesome numbers!! <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" /> Which heads do you use? I was considering getting a pair of CNC ported LS6 heads.... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

Colonel

Hotcam = Slow ramp rates. Not good for max performance.

Not bashing, I just thought I might point out, for those who may be wondering, one of the reasons why the Hotcam is inferior from a performance standpoint than most of the other popular cams.

Sure, there are other cams that make more power all across the board while still having a better idle (or worse if you prefer) whether you're talking stock heads or not. So why buy a Hotcam? Cost. And that's a perfectly good reason for some people.

<small>[ August 01, 2002, 01:13 PM: Message edited by: Colonel ]</small>

WICKED SS

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Another vote for the TR224 cam! I think I might be able to get 400rwhp with some more tuning. <img border="0" alt="[Camaro]" title="" src="graemlins/camaro.gif" />