Can SLP double-row timing chain set be installed with engine in car?
Can SLP double-row timing chain set be installed with engine in car? I've been hearing conflicting reports on this one. Some say that the engine needs to be out of the car due to an issue with the pickup tube, while others say that it can be done with engine in car. Anyone installed an SLP/Rollmaster double-roller with the engine in the car? If so, were there any problems beyond the standard single-row chain swap?
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<small>[ July 02, 2002, 01:30 PM: Message edited by: Fulton 1 ]</small>
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Re: Can SLP double-row timing chain set be installed with engine in car? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Fulton 1:
<strong>I've been hearing conflicting reports on this one. Some say that the engine needs to be out of the car due to an issue with the pickup tube, while others say that it can be done with engine in car. Anyone installed an SLP/Rollmaster double-roller with the engine in the car? If so, were there any problems beyond the standard single-row chain swap?
TIA <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Check the other thread about timimg chains there is some good info in there.
<strong>I've been hearing conflicting reports on this one. Some say that the engine needs to be out of the car due to an issue with the pickup tube, while others say that it can be done with engine in car. Anyone installed an SLP/Rollmaster double-roller with the engine in the car? If so, were there any problems beyond the standard single-row chain swap?
TIA <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Check the other thread about timimg chains there is some good info in there.
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Re: Can SLP double-row timing chain set be installed with engine in car? Well, I did mine out of the car, but I can't see where there would be an issue. I installed a ported ARE oil pump at the same time as the Rollmaster (that I also bought from Nick) and one or t'other cam w/ shims for the oil pump to make it past the wider t-chain gears.
My pickup tube didn't haveta really move. There's only a single bolt holding mine on at the pump, and there really wasn't any horsing around required.
My pickup tube didn't haveta really move. There's only a single bolt holding mine on at the pump, and there really wasn't any horsing around required.
Re: Can SLP double-row timing chain set be installed with engine in car? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Check the other thread about timimg chains there is some good info in there. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yeah, I've seen it, but I'm looking for something to specifically address installation of the double-roller with the engine in the car. I'd like to install it, but if engine removal is required then I'll just go with a better single-row chain for now.
Thanks SSINFUL - I know I've asked you a similar question before on a different thread so forgive my redundance. I just want to be certain that its do-able in the car before I buy it.
Thanks SSINFUL - I know I've asked you a similar question before on a different thread so forgive my redundance. I just want to be certain that its do-able in the car before I buy it.
Re: Can SLP double-row timing chain set be installed with engine in car? when changing your timing chain do the following:
remove the crank pulley
remove the water pump
remove the timing chani cover
unbolt the engin motor mouts its one bolt from
both sides 18mm and pull the bolts out like
a pin.
unbolt all the bolts to the oilpan leave one from in the front one in the back to hold the pan on.
then unbolt your y pipe from the headers or just loosen up the exhaust pipes.
once you have loosen all the above listed stuff, put a little jack under the transmission and slowly lift the engien up about 1-2". after its the engin in up unbolt the other two bolts and drop the pan on the cross member. that should give you plenty of clearence to revove the pick up line tubes bolt. but be careful not to drop the bolt in the pan and drain all the oil out before doing anything.
here is my cell phone number 818-822-2023 e mail badls12000@yahoo.com if you need help call me up i ll give you instuction what to do. i have done it over four times the same thing you want to do.
and yes you could replace the timing chain and the oil pump on the car.
harry
<small>[ July 02, 2002, 02:35 PM: Message edited by: badls1 ]</small>
remove the crank pulley
remove the water pump
remove the timing chani cover
unbolt the engin motor mouts its one bolt from
both sides 18mm and pull the bolts out like
a pin.
unbolt all the bolts to the oilpan leave one from in the front one in the back to hold the pan on.
then unbolt your y pipe from the headers or just loosen up the exhaust pipes.
once you have loosen all the above listed stuff, put a little jack under the transmission and slowly lift the engien up about 1-2". after its the engin in up unbolt the other two bolts and drop the pan on the cross member. that should give you plenty of clearence to revove the pick up line tubes bolt. but be careful not to drop the bolt in the pan and drain all the oil out before doing anything.
here is my cell phone number 818-822-2023 e mail badls12000@yahoo.com if you need help call me up i ll give you instuction what to do. i have done it over four times the same thing you want to do.
and yes you could replace the timing chain and the oil pump on the car.
harry
<small>[ July 02, 2002, 02:35 PM: Message edited by: badls1 ]</small>
Re: Can SLP double-row timing chain set be installed with engine in car? Thanks badls1, but I want to reiterate at this point that I'm talking specifically about the double-row chain . I know that the stock-type chain (i.e. single row) can be installed with engine in car. I have however been told that the double-roller is a slightly different installation and requires the engine to be out of the car.
The following thread notes that Cartek plans on installing the double-roller only when the engine is removed.
https://ls1tech.com/ubb/cgi-bin/ulti...c;f=1;t=005926
Whether this is mandatory or not is what I'm trying to determine.
<small>[ July 02, 2002, 02:55 PM: Message edited by: Fulton 1 ]</small>
The following thread notes that Cartek plans on installing the double-roller only when the engine is removed.
https://ls1tech.com/ubb/cgi-bin/ulti...c;f=1;t=005926
Whether this is mandatory or not is what I'm trying to determine.
<small>[ July 02, 2002, 02:55 PM: Message edited by: Fulton 1 ]</small>
Re: Can SLP double-row timing chain set be installed with engine in car? If you can get the oil pump off of the car with the engine in it, then you can install the double roller. I had my timing chain sprocket off with the engine in the car. Not a problem once you get the oil pump out of the way.
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Re: Can SLP double-row timing chain set be installed with engine in car? So, based on these replies and info that I got from Quick355 earlier (thanks <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> ) it sounds like the double roller can be installed the same way as a single roller (i.e. one without the shims for the oil pump) while the engine is in the car, etc? If that's true, why would Cartek say that they only install it with the engine out of the car? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />
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Verdad Gallardo Re: Can SLP double-row timing chain set be installed with engine in car? Can anybody come up with a good reason why it can't be done with engine in the car? I'm ready to order this thing, but I'd hate to run into a problem in mid-install and then have to reuse the stock chain or wait while I order a single row chain instead. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
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Re: Can SLP double-row timing chain set be installed with engine in car? I just installed mine out of the car the other day...only hiccup I could see is getting the pickup to align correctly as you have to ship the pump out a bit to clear the chain (can not confirm this as I haven't installed the pickup yet)
Otherwise its a straight forward install.
Otherwise its a straight forward install.
Re: Can SLP double-row timing chain set be installed with engine in car? Thanks for the input Fireball. So, based on your experience it sounds like I wouldn't have any problem installing it in the car? Is that true?
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Re: Can SLP double-row timing chain set be installed with engine in car? To remove the crank gear requires the removal of the oil pump as you would know, but to remove the oil pump requires the removal of the oil pick-up. The only way i can see the 10mm pick up bolt to be removed is with the sump away from the bottom of the engine, probably not the easiest task in the world of LS1 mods, especially once you have unbolted the front cross member so you can lower the sump enuf to gain access. The pick-up is also secured on one of the main cap studs that hold the crank scrapper in place by a 13mm nut, you may be able to leave that nut done up and be able to bend the pick up securing strap but i dont like it as once the oil pump is shimmed out you will need the nut loose to gain as much movement as you can to bolt the pick-up back up into the pump. Besides being very close to dropping the 10mm bolt and 13mm nut in the sump whilst removing them you also need to make sure you dont drop the pick-up O-ring out of the oil pump.
I think you can easily see why your profesional shops choose to remove an engine for this mod.
Just a word of warning in fitting these Rollmaster Timing sets - On 2 ocasions i have found the casting on the crank interferes with the proper seating of the timing chain in the crank pulley, extensive masking and sealing of the engine was required so as we could de-dag the front of the crank with a Die-grinder to allow proper fitment of the chain.
I have also heard of the oil pump contacting the Timing case cover after the pump is shimmed out, i have not witnessed this and i have fitted around 7 sets. Just check for clearance before final fitment.
Matt.(yank the engine!!)
I think you can easily see why your profesional shops choose to remove an engine for this mod.
Just a word of warning in fitting these Rollmaster Timing sets - On 2 ocasions i have found the casting on the crank interferes with the proper seating of the timing chain in the crank pulley, extensive masking and sealing of the engine was required so as we could de-dag the front of the crank with a Die-grinder to allow proper fitment of the chain.
I have also heard of the oil pump contacting the Timing case cover after the pump is shimmed out, i have not witnessed this and i have fitted around 7 sets. Just check for clearance before final fitment.
Matt.(yank the engine!!)
Re: Can SLP double-row timing chain set be installed with engine in car? Matt, that was excellent information - exactly what I was looking for. I've decided to use the single row Rollmaster instead. I contacted HOWQUICK and he can get them for $85 plus $25 shipping (from Australia). That's a great deal for the Jwis chain and adjustable billet gears IMO. This will be plenty strong enough for me right now (hotcam and bolt-ons). When the engine does come out to be built down the road I'll probably go for a double-roller at that time.
Thanks everybody for your help <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />
Thanks everybody for your help <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />
Re: Can SLP double-row timing chain set be installed with engine in car? Well, just to update quickly (assuming others have the same question <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> ) - I had contacted Tom Izzo at SpeedInc. since they sell the double roller. He told me that they install the SLP double roller on cars without engine removal on a weekly basis. So, it looks like its not a big deal after all. At any rate I've already ordered the Rollmaster single row chain, but am confident that it will be a nice upgrade over stock for anything up to and including a H/C car and at $110 shipped the price can't be beat.
<small>[ July 08, 2002, 10:11 PM: Message edited by: Fulton 1 ]</small>
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