Country Boy

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What kind of numbers do they put down? HP/TQ and track?

red53gmc

I emailed ARE that same question. All I got was "it depends on your mods." It seems they don't want those numbers out there.

VINCE

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If you are going to spend that kind of money.. Why not go to a 382 All Bore? The shortblock is around 4 to 5k..

Ragtop 99

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Chris Pippy has one.
He'll post up with numbers when he starts goofing off at work on Monday. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

ARE told me not to expect a lot - It's just a 4% increase in displacement; so I went with the standard short block

<small>[ September 22, 2002, 07:40 PM: Message edited by: Ragtop 99 ]</small>

Country Boy

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How much exactly is the MTI motors? They have "call" on their site.

Which would be better, all bore or stroked? I have some new things to research <img border="0" title="" alt="[Sad]" src="gr_sad.gif" />

CHRISPY

hehe I'm here <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
I am running ~122-123mph with my ARE 360, S1 heads and 226/234 cam on 112LSA.

MAC headers, bolt-ons, cutout, stock clutch etc etc.

I love my 360. No coolant leaks or dropped sleeves, lots of power and torque. (404/400)

If I were to do it all over again I would have went iron block 427.

4.060 bore x 4.125 stroke = 427ci and lots of fun.
11.5:1 comp, S3 LS1 heads, LS6 intake and ~480-500RWHP for a great price.

Taking out the extra 75 pounds the block weighs would be very easy and you would never have to worry about dropped sleeves or coolant gobbling issues.

<small>[ September 23, 2002, 11:53 AM: Message edited by: Chris ARE 360 ]</small>

Country Boy

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for the same price? The 360 says ~$4600. How much is the iron block 427? It cant be that cheap!!! Going the extra CI isnt worth it if the price is cheaper to stay 346 CI. You have the same power the stock motor are droppong out <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />

niphilli

For some reason a lot of the ARE setups run better at the track than the dyno indicates, area under the curve??

-Nick

CHRISPY

hehe I am seeing over 400RWHP from 5400rpm-6700rpm. and a nice fat torque curve too.
Cheers,
Chris

CHRISPY

The 360 was worth it to me. I am running better MPH than my "dyno" numbers suggest hehe. Also I went with the 360 because I hydrolocked my old motor and I could get the forged 360 for a great price.
Cheers,
Chris

<small>[ September 23, 2002, 12:30 PM: Message edited by: Chris ARE 360 ]</small>

Country Boy

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by VINCE:
<strong>If you are going to spend that kind of money.. Why not go to a 382 All Bore? The shortblock is around 4 to 5k..</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Unfortunally, the short block is $6200 from MTI. I called.

Chris, what are your dyno #s/mods? It looks like I may go the 360 route. Its the only feasible way to go for me at the moment. The 382 seems nice, but still the power to $$$ isnt there either. It puts out ~ the same HP as stock and the 360.

Decisions.. decisions...

CHRISPY

My mods are as follows:

Mac headers with offroad
ARE 360 shortblock
ARE S1 5.3 truck heads
226/234 112LSA .560/.560 comp cam
3 inch cutout in in pipe
Dynomax ultraflow muffler
17 inch enkies
12 bolt with 4.11
stock clutch for now

404RWHP@6300rpm and 400RWTQ (400 RWHP from 5400-6700rpm)
Best ET (traction limited): 11.7
Best mph: 122.60mph
Best sixty 1.78
DA for those runs was ~900 and I had the A4.
With the M6 and with electrical problems (battery tipping over on launch against the strut tower)
I ran a 12.0@120.7mph with a 1.89 sixty and off idle launch in 2300-2500DA.

Curbweight: ~3400 pounds when I ran the above times

Heads flow 298 cfm at .600 lift intake and 227cfm @.600 exhaust with no stack or pipe.

With a cam change to a 230/230 112LSA XE-R grind I would pick up about 8-12RWHP peak over my current comp cam. (Not sure if it is worth it to me for .1 and possibly 1mph)

I am very happy with my car and its times. With the rev lok clutch, HD DS, adj Master I should be able to hook to a 1.5 sixty and 11.3-11.5@122-124mph in good DA.

That is fast no matter how you look at it. Dynos for me are a reference for tuning only.

Hope this helps,
Chris

ps- you can also get a forged stock shortblock as well from ARE.

<small>[ September 25, 2002, 08:53 AM: Message edited by: Chris ARE 360 ]</small>

VINCE

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One of my co-workers asked about a ARE 360.. He wanted to know if they dyno higher than a 346ci. I told him I have not seen any evidence that a ARE 360 dyno's higher than a 346ci... Even though I have heard for every ci you are suppose to get 1hp.. That equates to 14hp more than a 346ci.. The question that needs to be asked "Is a ARE 360 worth the investment?"

sited12

I would think since the 360 is an iron block that it would be an awesome block for a nitrous junky. You could spray the crap out of it. Just a thought. But if you are trying to build up one hell of a set up 427 would be the only way to go. Not to mention telling people you have a 427 would just be plain bad ***. Straight up 1969 camaros.

CHRISPY

360 is NOT an iron block it is alum. 3.905 bore with offset ground 3.72 crank.

The 360 is GREAT for nitrous or boost as well as a great NA motor. Peak numbers arent going to be all that different but torque and HP comes in lower and is nice broad and fat <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

See sig for updated times. This was in 750 DA with 3425 curbweight and spinning through all of first gear.
Cheers,
Chris

<small>[ October 10, 2002, 07:34 AM: Message edited by: Chris ARE 360 ]</small>

VINCE

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Can't you do the same with a forged 346ci? I am sure you have proof that a 360ci dyno looks better under the curve than a 346ci dyno with the exact same mods.. There are many 346ci running the same times "Spinning thru 1st and 2nd gear on ET Streets." I am not trying to bust anyones chops.. I spent a good hour disputing why not just build a forged 346ci instead of a 360ci and I do not want my energy to be wasted.. What should be and what is, is not always what happens with the ls1.. Providing several examples of evidence will give the 360ci some more thought.

30th TA 0219

Why don't they list the 360 anymore on their website either? I have always liked the idea of a slight increase without a ton of ca$h outlayed for it. I like the ARE shortblocks, seem to be assembled very well. I would really like to top it with GTP heads and a TR cam though! <img border="0" alt="[Firebird]" title="" src="graemlins/formula.gif" />

CHRISPY

You can go with the forged 346 and it will work great too. It is up to you <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> I got the 360 cause one was available used as a dyno mule at a great price. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
Cheers,
Chris

VINCE

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Now if I had that choice.. Yes, I would go with the 360ci.. I would be a fool not too..

99 Black Bird T/A

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3.9.05 bore and 3.72 stroke?

I get 356 cid when crunch that in Desktop Dyno. Is Desktop wrong?

Seems like a Big Bore with an offset ground crank would be the ticket.

4.1 bore and a 3.72 stroke works out to about 393 cid in Desktop Dyno. Is that right?

I thought a 4.1 bore and 3.72 stroke would be about 396 or 397 or so.