Wheelstand question... no, seriously, it's an internal engine question
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Wheelstand question... no, seriously, it's an internal engine question Ok, I am looking at finally making a few passes on my new setup, and I am faced with the possibility of the wheels coming up pretty hard. My question here is, if I am in a situation where the wheels are 2+ feet up, and carry for a fair while (a la Wade from ARE), am I going to run into any oiling issues? Do I run a serious chance of starving the front side of the motor?
Thanks for the input guys!
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- Matt
Thanks for the input guys!
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- Matt
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Re: Wheelstand question... no, seriously, it's an internal engine question Well my Camaro doesnt leave that hard(yet) but my 1968 Chevy Nova does, and i reccomend you run synthetic oil for any momentary oil pressure loss. This should be enough protection, oil pickup is near center of pan so you shouldnt uncover it, just keep oil level to full line and if you run high volume pump, you might consider slight overfilling of pan, consult ARE about that though.
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Re: Wheelstand question... no, seriously, it's an internal engine question I race a 02 Camaro in NHRA stock eliminator and oil starvation can be a bad problem in hard leaving LS1 cars because of the center location of the oil pickup. Brian at Hitech (763-712-9088)can modify your pan and make a custom pickup to prevent this problem. I have had a best of a 1.37 60 foot with the front tires 4 feet in the air and have had no oil problems. Tell him Dyno told you to call.
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Re: Wheelstand question... no, seriously, it's an internal engine question </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Dyno:
<strong>I race a 02 Camaro in NHRA stock eliminator and oil starvation can be a bad problem in hard leaving LS1 cars because of the center location of the oil pickup. Brian at Hitech (763-712-9088)can modify your pan and make a custom pickup to prevent this problem. I have had a best of a 1.37 60 foot with the front tires 4 feet in the air and have had no oil problems. Tell him Dyno told you to call.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">1.37 60ft. on the rear tires??? What does that car run? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" />
<strong>I race a 02 Camaro in NHRA stock eliminator and oil starvation can be a bad problem in hard leaving LS1 cars because of the center location of the oil pickup. Brian at Hitech (763-712-9088)can modify your pan and make a custom pickup to prevent this problem. I have had a best of a 1.37 60 foot with the front tires 4 feet in the air and have had no oil problems. Tell him Dyno told you to call.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">1.37 60ft. on the rear tires??? What does that car run? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" />
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Re: Wheelstand question... no, seriously, it's an internal engine question </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Dyno:
<strong>I race a 02 Camaro in NHRA stock eliminator and oil starvation can be a bad problem in hard leaving LS1 cars because of the center location of the oil pickup. Brian at Hitech (763-712-9088)can modify your pan and make a custom pickup to prevent this problem. I have had a best of a 1.37 60 foot with the front tires 4 feet in the air and have had no oil problems. Tell him Dyno told you to call.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I can understand if you don't want to be specific, but can you give a ballpark idea of how much this costs, and what the turnaround time is? I just realized this may be an issue, and both money and time are tight. I need to make a race on October 26th.... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Sad]" src="gr_sad.gif" />
<strong>I race a 02 Camaro in NHRA stock eliminator and oil starvation can be a bad problem in hard leaving LS1 cars because of the center location of the oil pickup. Brian at Hitech (763-712-9088)can modify your pan and make a custom pickup to prevent this problem. I have had a best of a 1.37 60 foot with the front tires 4 feet in the air and have had no oil problems. Tell him Dyno told you to call.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I can understand if you don't want to be specific, but can you give a ballpark idea of how much this costs, and what the turnaround time is? I just realized this may be an issue, and both money and time are tight. I need to make a race on October 26th.... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Sad]" src="gr_sad.gif" />
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Re: Wheelstand question... no, seriously, it's an internal engine question </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by LS1derfull:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Dyno:
<strong>I race a 02 Camaro in NHRA stock eliminator and oil starvation can be a bad problem in hard leaving LS1 cars because of the center location of the oil pickup. Brian at Hitech (763-712-9088)can modify your pan and make a custom pickup to prevent this problem. I have had a best of a 1.37 60 foot with the front tires 4 feet in the air and have had no oil problems. Tell him Dyno told you to call.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">1.37 60ft. on the rear tires??? What does that car run? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well what does it run? TIA <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Dyno:
<strong>I race a 02 Camaro in NHRA stock eliminator and oil starvation can be a bad problem in hard leaving LS1 cars because of the center location of the oil pickup. Brian at Hitech (763-712-9088)can modify your pan and make a custom pickup to prevent this problem. I have had a best of a 1.37 60 foot with the front tires 4 feet in the air and have had no oil problems. Tell him Dyno told you to call.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">1.37 60ft. on the rear tires??? What does that car run? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well what does it run? TIA <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />
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Re: Wheelstand question... no, seriously, it's an internal engine question You mean like this?
http://www.rapidmotorsports.com/wheelstand.wmv
I had to develop a set of custom suspension limiters (a hunk of chain from Home Depot) to keep the front suspension travel to a minimum. That solved my problem. It now pulls the wheels about 16" to the 60' mark.
Also, contact ARE and get a stock eliminator oil pan and pick-up.
Mikey
<small>[ October 09, 2002, 05:58 PM: Message edited by: mikey ]</small>
http://www.rapidmotorsports.com/wheelstand.wmv
I had to develop a set of custom suspension limiters (a hunk of chain from Home Depot) to keep the front suspension travel to a minimum. That solved my problem. It now pulls the wheels about 16" to the 60' mark.
Also, contact ARE and get a stock eliminator oil pan and pick-up.
Mikey
<small>[ October 09, 2002, 05:58 PM: Message edited by: mikey ]</small>
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Re: Wheelstand question... no, seriously, it's an internal engine question </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by mikey:
<strong>You mean like this?
http://www.rapidmotorsports.com/wheelstand.wmv
I had to develop a set of custom suspension limiters (a hunk of chain from Home Depot) to keep the front suspension travel to a minimum. That solved my problem. It now pulls the wheels about 16" to the 60' mark.
Also, contact ARE and get a stock eliminator oil pan and pick-up.
Mikey</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I was hoping you'd jump in here, Mikey <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
Any chance of getting a look at those chains? Where are they connected? Also, how much e.t. were they worth?
<small>[ October 10, 2002, 08:52 AM: Message edited by: Trans Am WS6 420 ]</small>
<strong>You mean like this?
http://www.rapidmotorsports.com/wheelstand.wmv
I had to develop a set of custom suspension limiters (a hunk of chain from Home Depot) to keep the front suspension travel to a minimum. That solved my problem. It now pulls the wheels about 16" to the 60' mark.
Also, contact ARE and get a stock eliminator oil pan and pick-up.
Mikey</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I was hoping you'd jump in here, Mikey <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
Any chance of getting a look at those chains? Where are they connected? Also, how much e.t. were they worth?
<small>[ October 10, 2002, 08:52 AM: Message edited by: Trans Am WS6 420 ]</small>
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Re: Wheelstand question... no, seriously, it's an internal engine question Hey Matt I think you should wait and see if the car does wheelstand. Chances are with your set-up it might wheelie but not CARRY the wheels. Remember the cars that wheelstand hard and carry them are at least 9 second rides with 140 plus MPH. I dont think your car will do that <img border="0" title="" alt="[Sad]" src="gr_sad.gif" /> . It is nice to dream though. Good Luck
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Re: Wheelstand question... no, seriously, it's an internal engine question </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Stefan D.:
<strong>Hey Matt I think you should wait and see if the car does wheelstand. Chances are with your set-up it might wheelie but not CARRY the wheels. Remember the cars that wheelstand hard and carry them are at least 9 second rides with 140 plus MPH. I dont think your car will do that <img border="0" title="" alt="[Sad]" src="gr_sad.gif" /> . It is nice to dream though. Good Luck</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yeah, Stefan, I know you're probably right, but I really have to be prepared for anything. I'd hate to see the car do something stupid because the suspension was set wrong, and then watch the motor starve because I had assumed it wouldn't happen. Better safe than sorry. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
<small>[ October 11, 2002, 09:16 AM: Message edited by: Trans Am WS6 420 ]</small>
<strong>Hey Matt I think you should wait and see if the car does wheelstand. Chances are with your set-up it might wheelie but not CARRY the wheels. Remember the cars that wheelstand hard and carry them are at least 9 second rides with 140 plus MPH. I dont think your car will do that <img border="0" title="" alt="[Sad]" src="gr_sad.gif" /> . It is nice to dream though. Good Luck</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yeah, Stefan, I know you're probably right, but I really have to be prepared for anything. I'd hate to see the car do something stupid because the suspension was set wrong, and then watch the motor starve because I had assumed it wouldn't happen. Better safe than sorry. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
<small>[ October 11, 2002, 09:16 AM: Message edited by: Trans Am WS6 420 ]</small>
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Re: Wheelstand question... no, seriously, it's an internal engine question </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Dyno:
<strong>I race a 02 Camaro in NHRA stock eliminator and oil starvation can be a bad problem in hard leaving LS1 cars because of the center location of the oil pickup. Brian at Hitech (763-712-9088)can modify your pan and make a custom pickup to prevent this problem. I have had a best of a 1.37 60 foot with the front tires 4 feet in the air and have had no oil problems. Tell him Dyno told you to call.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well im still waiting what does your Stock Eliminator run? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />
<strong>I race a 02 Camaro in NHRA stock eliminator and oil starvation can be a bad problem in hard leaving LS1 cars because of the center location of the oil pickup. Brian at Hitech (763-712-9088)can modify your pan and make a custom pickup to prevent this problem. I have had a best of a 1.37 60 foot with the front tires 4 feet in the air and have had no oil problems. Tell him Dyno told you to call.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well im still waiting what does your Stock Eliminator run? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />
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Re: Wheelstand question... no, seriously, it's an internal engine question Best ET this year has been a 10.81 @122.90 in E/SA at 3390 lbs. The 1.37 60 ft was with the front tires, but on that same weekend it crossed the 60 ft timers twice with the rear tires and a 1.50 time. I am going to have some wheelie bars made for the car over the winter, once the front comes up you have to stay in it until it comes down on its own. Give Brian at Hitech a call if you need LS1 help. Dyno
