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Oct 11, 2002 | 09:55 PM

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Re: TEA Head Pricing > with quote from Brian Tooley

Grinch, if you are like me, you make up for these high prices by doing all your own mods and labor, and be able to see thru the bullsh*t products and not waste time or money on them. I see more guys with all the suspension frame, mods who dont even 60 ft. as good as mine with none of the mods!Until you expose a problem just keep on truckin! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" />

Oct 11, 2002 | 09:56 PM

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Re: TEA Head Pricing > with quote from Brian Tooley

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Grinch:
i wasnt suggesting to stop buying, hell i cant even do that, i just dont know about bussiness i guess, it just seems a little out there, to me, if you can sell 50 cams for 400 a peice(20,000k)
but if you sold 150 cams for 200(30,000k)im not the smartest man but id go for the 30k if it were me...
bet yall never thought about it that way
<hr /></blockquote>you have to think of demand... how many LS1s are there ? How many people are willing to tear apart there relatively new motor?

<blockquote>quote:<hr />if you can sell 50 cams for 400 a peice(20,000k)
but if you sold 150 cams for 200(30,000k)<hr /></blockquote>... yes that sounds great.. but what if you can't sell 150? what if you sell 50 in a year, but 150 in 3 years?

People go into group purchases because they can get a cheaper rate... businesses offer group purchases because they can sell a large quantity over a short period of time...

would you rather sell 10 items at 100 each (1000) over a year or 10 items at 80 each over a month (800) ?

so I should restate my statement about supply and demand...

it's actually supply and demand over time... more at less in less time is better than fewer at more in less time and better than more at less over a longer time... but fact is it's all price vs. demand vs. time

The overall fact remains... porting is expensive for LS1s because we don't have many options (limited supply) and because the price is inflated by the big names... if MTI, ARE, and GTP charged 1000, then that'd be considered expensive and a company offering 800 for heads would be cheap... currently 1800 is cheap and 2400-3000 is top end...

Also... say a company decided to be a nice guy (meaning they know nothing about business and charge x labor hours plus equipment).... if your closest competitor is charging 3x more than you.... why charge 1/3 ? charging 1/3 is unlikely to pick up 3x the customers.. and if it does it means 3x the labor and 3x the machine time (machines have y number of hours of life)....

so.... a "nice" business would give us (LS1 owners) cheap prices... but a smart business owner will provide a good product at a comparably good price

[ October 11, 2002, 10:12 PM: Message edited by: horist ]

Oct 11, 2002 | 10:54 PM

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Re: TEA Head Pricing > with quote from Brian Tooley

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Grinch:
i wasnt suggesting to stop buying, hell i cant even do that, i just dont know about bussiness i guess, it just seems a little out there, to me, if you can sell 50 cams for 400 a peice(20,000k)
but if you sold 150 cams for 200(30,000k)im not the smartest man but id go for the 30k if it were me...
bet yall never thought about it that way
cam maker charges say 150 (ballpark)
vender charges 400
they make 250 on you(almost double there investment)how many cams(just an example product) do you think are sold buy "X" vendor?
500(cams)x400.00=200,000.00 - their investment of 75000 =125,000.00 <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />
we are being raped cuz we have no choice and the standard of the price has been set by what we/ the buyers are willing to pay. maybe a vendor will chime in and help on some insight but i dought we get anything but a price justification answer....
ill be quiet now im just in a bad mood..... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Sad]" src="gr_sad.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[boring]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_zzz.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>I agree they pay about 189 or so and turn around and sell it for 400+.One of our sponsors evem sales them for 499.Give me a break The cheapest I have found is 360.99 shipped to my door.There is no way a head should cost 3000 dollars or even 2500 but hey if people will continue to pay for them they will keep *** raping us on prices.Yes about 3 or 4 years ago you could charge 500 bucks for a cam and say well you pay for R&D but not now.Thats why The more sponsors we get the better because it will take away business from the others which will cause them to eithr drop their prices or stay the same but you now have a different option to get parts.I understand you have to saty in business but as stated earlier you will make more buy selling 200 cams for 300 dollars as opposed to 50 cams for 400 dollars.

Oct 11, 2002 | 11:44 PM

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Re: TEA Head Pricing > with quote from Brian Tooley

I got TEA Stage 2 5.7 Heads, their comp camp 222/222 .566 112...

I gained 73rwhp with their H/C setup and TTS headers...

I got the heads, cam, and install kit for about 2200 and I keep my stock heads...

Oct 11, 2002 | 11:45 PM

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Re: TEA Head Pricing > with quote from Brian Tooley

You guys are really pretty clueless on camshaft prices.

Did you know that if you order a similar cam to the LS1 cams for just about any other motor, you'll pay a similar price.

Call up Comp Cams and ask them for a price on a custom grind small-block hydraulic roller cam from a billet steel, gun drilled core.

I'm willing to bet they cant sell enough to make a profit at $150/ea.

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Oct 11, 2002 | 11:55 PM

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Re: TEA Head Pricing > with quote from Brian Tooley

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by horist: currently 1800 is cheap and 2400-3000 is top end...

Also... say a company decided to be a nice guy (meaning they know nothing about business and charge x labor hours plus equipment).... if your closest competitor is charging 3x more than you.... why charge 1/3 ? charging 1/3 is unlikely to pick up 3x the customers.. and if it does it means 3x the labor and 3x the machine time (machines have y number of hours of life)....

so.... a "nice" business would give us (LS1 owners) cheap prices... but a smart business owner will provide a good product at a comparably good price<hr /></blockquote>I think TEA is providing an excellent product at an excellent price.

Oct 12, 2002 | 12:09 AM

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Re: TEA Head Pricing > with quote from Brian Tooley

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Grinch:
... i still dont understand why it cost so much to have heads done,a machine cant bitch about the labor its doing <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> the machine as prolly paid for itself a few times over,,LS1 heads are not the magic heads (alltho they are sweet) it doesnt cost that much to have SBC heads opened up and milled a little...im sure that im not thinking about a few details but i still dont think its worh thousands of dollars for this stuff
heads cores cost 2-300 bux you pay 1700 for a MACHINE ported set.
LS1 edit 550. WTF 200 and they would sell MUCH MORE. why do you think vendors are charging less now for tunning?!?!
cams- 400 bux? why? its not "new" technology anymore so why are we duped into "well its an LS1" what ever, END SOAP BOX.....
im not flaming anyone/ or vendors here im just curious as to why i/we pay so much for somthing that cost CONSIDERABLY less to make/build/do....<hr /></blockquote>A CNC machine plus the port digitizer cost about $250,000. That's a LOT of money, even for big shops. TEA is NOT one of these big, bottomless pocket companies. Brian is a very straight-up guy, and probably one of the nicest and most down-to-earth in the business. He ports a great head (just ask the Mustang guys).

Keep in mind that a CNC port program is not dreamed up overnight. Brian ported many sets of LS1 heads by hand to get the best flow before he ever set out to create a CNC program. I had one of his hand-ported sets and was VERY pleased. This initial R&D, along with the cost of the CNC machine is what you're paying for. How can you complain about $600 for CNC porting?? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />

Oct 12, 2002 | 12:54 AM

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Re: TEA Head Pricing > with quote from Brian Tooley

What do you guys think I can put out with my cam (TR224)? I was looking into a set of heads but I figure if I am gonna spend alot of money I want to make somewhere close to 450rwhp.

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Oct 12, 2002 | 10:07 PM

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Re: TEA Head Pricing > with quote from Brian Tooley

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by 66ImpalaLT1:
You guys are really pretty clueless on camshaft prices.

Did you know that if you order a similar cam to the LS1 cams for just about any other motor, you'll pay a similar price.

Call up Comp Cams and ask them for a price on a custom grind small-block hydraulic roller cam from a billet steel, gun drilled core.

I'm willing to bet they cant sell enough to make a profit at $150/ea.

Eric<hr /></blockquote>Well I have a piece of paper here sitting in my hand saying $189 for ls1 camshaft from comp cams.I wont say which shop I got this particular cam from but their prices are very reasonable ahh what the hell the best on the board and they get it for $189.Now that means that everyone else is getting it for that price or close at least from comp.But some of the mark ups is insane.I will say though our cars are a lot cheaper than supras. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" />

Oct 12, 2002 | 10:18 PM

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Re: TEA Head Pricing > with quote from Brian Tooley

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Alonzo:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by 66ImpalaLT1:
You guys are really pretty clueless on camshaft prices.

Did you know that if you order a similar cam to the LS1 cams for just about any other motor, you'll pay a similar price.

Call up Comp Cams and ask them for a price on a custom grind small-block hydraulic roller cam from a billet steel, gun drilled core.

I'm willing to bet they cant sell enough to make a profit at $150/ea.

Eric<hr /></blockquote>Well I have a piece of paper here sitting in my hand saying $189 for ls1 camshaft from comp cams.I wont say which shop I got this particular cam from but their prices are very reasonable ahh what the hell the best on the board and they get it for $189.Now that means that everyone else is getting it for that price or close at least from comp.But some of the mark ups is insane.I will say though our cars are a lot cheaper than supras. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>so what shop is it? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> can't leave us dangling like this <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

Oct 12, 2002 | 10:20 PM

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Re: TEA Head Pricing > with quote from Brian Tooley

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by WICKED SS:
What do you guys think I can put out with my cam (TR224)? I was looking into a set of heads but I figure if I am gonna spend alot of money I want to make somewhere close to 450rwhp.<hr /></blockquote>It's really going to depend on your other mod's too you know? Is your car M6 or A4?

Verbs made 437rwhp untuned with a 12bolt or 9 inch & gears, with a 230/224 cam, car was a M6.

Oct 12, 2002 | 10:22 PM

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Re: TEA Head Pricing > with quote from Brian Tooley

See this thread about GP/pricing for TEA heads, Brent from TEA is on the thread etc

https://ls1tech.com/ubb/ultimatebb.p...;f=10;t=001131

Oct 12, 2002 | 10:23 PM

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Re: TEA Head Pricing > with quote from Brian Tooley

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by 99 Black Bird T/A:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by WICKED SS:
What do you guys think I can put out with my cam (TR224)? I was looking into a set of heads but I figure if I am gonna spend alot of money I want to make somewhere close to 450rwhp.<hr /></blockquote>It's really going to depend on your other mod's too you know? Is your car M6 or A4?

Verbs made 437rwhp untuned with a 12bolt or 9 inch & gears, with a 230/224 cam, car was a M6.<hr /></blockquote>Just added a new fuel filter, new o2's, and hardened pushrods, and hit 440rwhp even with slight knock retard. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_tounge.gif" /> I think I'm now closer to 445rwhp on a clean dyno run (no KR) and still haven't adjusted my a/f ratio and added some timing <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> ...which will happen some day when I get off this damn business trip <img border="0" title="" alt="[Sad]" src="gr_sad.gif" />

These TEA heads might be able to meet his 450rwhp on a stock rear end...especially if he's willing to chance it with a higher compression than I have. They don't have the summer heat like we do. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Sad]" src="gr_sad.gif" />

[ October 12, 2002, 10:32 PM: Message edited by: verbs ]

Oct 12, 2002 | 10:25 PM

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Re: TEA Head Pricing > with quote from Brian Tooley

Received my TEA 5.3 heads yesterday and had Comp Cam grind me a cam similar to the TR224. All together 2,100.00. Will post Dyno and track times as soon as I can.

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Oct 12, 2002 | 10:27 PM

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Re: TEA Head Pricing > with quote from Brian Tooley

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by WICKED SS:
What do you guys think I can put out with my cam (TR224)? I was looking into a set of heads but I figure if I am gonna spend alot of money I want to make somewhere close to 450rwhp.<hr /></blockquote>Because you have 91 octane, you can't run high enough compression to aid yourself in the 450rwhp quest. That might hurt a bit.

I can only run a 10.8:1 out here with our 91 octane. I'm sure not being able to run 11.3-11.5 or so takes about 10rwhp out of the equation.

If you don't mind mixing in some race gas with pump you could probably get away with a higher compression.

Oct 12, 2002 | 11:13 PM

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Re: TEA Head Pricing > with quote from Brian Tooley

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by verbs:
Just added a new fuel filter, new o2's, and hardened pushrods, and hit 440rwhp even with slight knock retard. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_tounge.gif" /> I think I'm now closer to 445rwhp on a clean dyno run (no KR) and still haven't adjusted my a/f ratio and added some timing <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> ...which will happen some day when I get off this damn business trip <img border="0" title="" alt="[Sad]" src="gr_sad.gif" />

These TEA heads might be able to meet his 450rwhp on a stock rear end...especially if he's willing to chance it with a higher compression than I have. They don't have the summer heat like we do. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Sad]" src="gr_sad.gif" /> [/QB]<hr /></blockquote>Congradulations on the new numbers 440rwhp is outstanding! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" />

Keep talking about 450rwhp w/stock 3.42's and I might just have to forget about my daily driver sized 224/220 XE-R cam... <img border="0" alt="[Burnout]" title="" src="graemlins/burnout.gif" />

Oct 13, 2002 | 12:48 AM

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Re: TEA Head Pricing > with quote from Brian Tooley

99 Black Bird T/A my car is a M6 with all the bolt ons but I have Mac headers not full LT headers.

Verbs those are some nice *** numbers!!! <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />

You know I am most likly gonna get a set of TEA heads but what else exactly will I need and I cant use race gas all the time so that wont work.

Oct 13, 2002 | 11:29 PM

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Re: TEA Head Pricing > with quote from Brian Tooley

MAC's set up correctly should make about the same hp as LT's or slightly more. The torque might be a little less in the midrange with MAC's. The MAC's have 1 3/4 inch primaries so they should work well. At one time CarTek prefered using MAC's over several of the long tube designs.

There are some tips for getting the best out of the MAC's like make sure the welds inside the primary are cleaned up. Using a Flowmaster 3.5inch collector. Replacing the MAC cats with better flowing cats etc. I'm sure their are a few more etc

Oct 14, 2002 | 08:45 AM

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Re: TEA Head Pricing > with quote from Brian Tooley

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Grinch:
cam maker charges say 150 (ballpark)
<hr /></blockquote>Let me just say this; you're way, way out of the ball park.

Paul

Oct 14, 2002 | 10:38 AM

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Re: TEA Head Pricing > with quote from Brian Tooley

<blockquote>quote:<hr />vender charges 400
they make 250 on you(almost double there investment)how many cams(just an example product) do you think are sold buy "X" vendor?
500(cams)x400.00=200,000.00 - their investment of 75000 =125,000.00
we are being raped cuz we have no choice and the standard of the price has been set by what we/ the buyers are willing to pay. maybe a vendor will chime in and help on some insight but i dought we get anything but a price justification answer.... <hr /></blockquote>Holy cow! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" /> You mean the vendors are ripping everyone off!? I don't think so! If you think a LS1 cam only costs me or anyone else $150 your WAY OUTTA THE BALLFIELD like Paul said! I don't think any of the vendors orders $75,000 in cams on an order either.

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