How come all these badas dyno numbers and no track times?
10-12-2002, 05:58 PM
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Re: How come all these badas dyno numbers and no track times? I'd post my time's, but it's bad enough i get people calling <img border="0" alt="[bullshit]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_bs.gif" /> on my dyno #'s..i'd hate to say what people would say if i posted my ET's
10-12-2002, 06:38 PM
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Re: How come all these badas dyno numbers and no track times? Not everyone can drive well. I woundln't worry what people call. You know if you are lying and that is all that really matters. Hell, even a car with 430rwhp can be driven to only 14s if you put the wrong monkey in it. <img border="0" alt="[Camaro]" title="" src="graemlins/camaro.gif" />
10-12-2002, 07:00 PM
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Re: How come all these badas dyno numbers and no track times? I didn't care what my car dynoed, it was only done to get the motor tuned out, and to find out what rpm I needed to be shifting gears at.
With that being said, it dynoed 461 rwhp / 388 rwtq, thru a Strange 12-bolt with a spool & 4.88 gears and a 22lb. chromoly steel driveshaft.
The motor peaked at 7100 rpm, I shift at 7500-7600 rpm. And depending on the track prep I usually launch at 6200 rpm, sometimes higher and sometimes lower, but as I said, it depends on the track prep.
So what does it run at the track?
Check my sig. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
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<small>[ October 12, 2002, 07:09 PM: Message edited by: GTS SS ]</small>
With that being said, it dynoed 461 rwhp / 388 rwtq, thru a Strange 12-bolt with a spool & 4.88 gears and a 22lb. chromoly steel driveshaft.
The motor peaked at 7100 rpm, I shift at 7500-7600 rpm. And depending on the track prep I usually launch at 6200 rpm, sometimes higher and sometimes lower, but as I said, it depends on the track prep.
So what does it run at the track?
Check my sig. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
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<small>[ October 12, 2002, 07:09 PM: Message edited by: GTS SS ]</small>
10-13-2002, 12:31 AM
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Re: How come all these badas dyno numbers and no track times? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't really think e.t. has anything to do with it. It is mph through the traps that is the best measuring device (considering cars of similiar gearing, race weight, and driver). If it was e.t. that was the absolute measure of power all a4s would be considered to have more then 50 hp on all m6s.
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That's why I said mph is a good gauge of ET potential. You can look at mph and see what you are capable of running if you get good launches and therefore a good 60 ft. But it is up to you to take the correct measures to do that which almost always require gears, tires, clutch and sometimes rearend depending on how much power you are making. Not all people with daily drivers want to take those measures.
I don't really think e.t. has anything to do with it. It is mph through the traps that is the best measuring device (considering cars of similiar gearing, race weight, and driver). If it was e.t. that was the absolute measure of power all a4s would be considered to have more then 50 hp on all m6s.
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That's why I said mph is a good gauge of ET potential. You can look at mph and see what you are capable of running if you get good launches and therefore a good 60 ft. But it is up to you to take the correct measures to do that which almost always require gears, tires, clutch and sometimes rearend depending on how much power you are making. Not all people with daily drivers want to take those measures.
10-13-2002, 04:35 AM
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Re: How come all these badas dyno numbers and no track times? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by ONYXSS:
<strong>99% of most cars time is on the street. Track times are much more indicative of what a car can do on the street.
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">99% of my races are from a roll. You are way more likely to line up against a car on the highway than have a chance race from a light. People who dont go to the track and arent into abusing their drivetrain for a timeslip sometimes find a dyno to be a better indicator of potential. Just my $.02
<strong>99% of most cars time is on the street. Track times are much more indicative of what a car can do on the street.
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">99% of my races are from a roll. You are way more likely to line up against a car on the highway than have a chance race from a light. People who dont go to the track and arent into abusing their drivetrain for a timeslip sometimes find a dyno to be a better indicator of potential. Just my $.02
10-13-2002, 04:50 AM
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Re: How come all these badas dyno numbers and no track times? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by DailyAluminumBlock:
<strong>Not everyone can drive well. I woundln't worry what people call. You know if you are lying and that is all that really matters. Hell, even a car with 430rwhp can be driven to only 14s if you put the wrong monkey in it. <img border="0" alt="[Camaro]" title="" src="graemlins/camaro.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[Burnout]" title="" src="graemlins/burnout.gif" />
<strong>Not everyone can drive well. I woundln't worry what people call. You know if you are lying and that is all that really matters. Hell, even a car with 430rwhp can be driven to only 14s if you put the wrong monkey in it. <img border="0" alt="[Camaro]" title="" src="graemlins/camaro.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[Burnout]" title="" src="graemlins/burnout.gif" />
10-13-2002, 05:32 PM
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Re: How come all these badas dyno numbers and no track times? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Fenris Ulf:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by ONYXSS:
<strong>99% of most cars time is on the street. Track times are much more indicative of what a car can do on the street.
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">99% of my races are from a roll. You are way more likely to line up against a car on the highway than have a chance race from a light. People who dont go to the track and arent into abusing their drivetrain for a timeslip sometimes find a dyno to be a better indicator of potential. Just my $.02</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Fenris, who the heck are you and why do we agree on so much? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by ONYXSS:
<strong>99% of most cars time is on the street. Track times are much more indicative of what a car can do on the street.
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">99% of my races are from a roll. You are way more likely to line up against a car on the highway than have a chance race from a light. People who dont go to the track and arent into abusing their drivetrain for a timeslip sometimes find a dyno to be a better indicator of potential. Just my $.02</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Fenris, who the heck are you and why do we agree on so much? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />
10-13-2002, 08:34 PM
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Re: How come all these badas dyno numbers and no track times? dyno numbers are inportant to some and timeslips are important to others ... personnaly I think dynos are a to be a tuning tool but often end up being a sales tool. Some guys like to show off dyno curves more than they like to race. IMO, if you can't get it to the ground and back up the dyno numbers on the track or street then the numbers are a ghost.
I used to be in that game, hell I was the highest dynoing car for a little while, but I grew to respect timeslips more because it is a factor of the entire setup. It takes more hard work and effort to have a car perform at the track versus strapping it to a dyno.
I used to be in that game, hell I was the highest dynoing car for a little while, but I grew to respect timeslips more because it is a factor of the entire setup. It takes more hard work and effort to have a car perform at the track versus strapping it to a dyno.
10-13-2002, 10:16 PM
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Re: How come all these badas dyno numbers and no track times? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Jsears8:
<strong>In time they will come. How do you expect a car that was just finished today to post track times today? Patience..
I was planing on going to the track Sunday but my clutch is on it's way out. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Sad]" src="gr_sad.gif" /> Just give us some time to work the issues out and we will give you some track times. A trip to the track is 260miles so it's not like I have then time to go everyweek.
Justin</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I hope you louisiana make some trips to hattiesburg here soon...... been some pretty good racing the last few times I been. Been a couple of quick LS1 cars showing up.
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<strong>In time they will come. How do you expect a car that was just finished today to post track times today? Patience..
I was planing on going to the track Sunday but my clutch is on it's way out. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Sad]" src="gr_sad.gif" /> Just give us some time to work the issues out and we will give you some track times. A trip to the track is 260miles so it's not like I have then time to go everyweek.
Justin</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I hope you louisiana make some trips to hattiesburg here soon...... been some pretty good racing the last few times I been. Been a couple of quick LS1 cars showing up.
Josh S.
10-14-2002, 12:14 AM
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Re: How come all these badas dyno numbers and no track times? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by jmX:
<strong>Fenris, who the heck are you and why do we agree on so much? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Just another LS1 owner who would be ***** to the wall at the track after someoen donates me a 12 bolt along with a lifetime clutch and slick donation. For now though, I will have to be content with emberassing '03 cobras and supras on the highway <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
<strong>Fenris, who the heck are you and why do we agree on so much? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Just another LS1 owner who would be ***** to the wall at the track after someoen donates me a 12 bolt along with a lifetime clutch and slick donation. For now though, I will have to be content with emberassing '03 cobras and supras on the highway <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
10-14-2002, 08:21 AM
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Re: How come all these badas dyno numbers and no track times? I agree with Granny on this. Alot of dyno numbers and no track times. Heck one person even complained that he only made 436 rwhp. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> As many have said dyno's are great tuning tools and can give you an idea of the relative well being of your motor. Flow benches are the same. To me the only way you can compare Apples to Apples is to dyno 2 cars on the same dyno on the same day. The correction factor doesn't work real well with high temps and humidity and most cars will put down a higher number on a cool dry day. Flow numbers are the same. The only good comparison is different heads flowed on the same bench, there are differences in flow benches.
With that being said the only numbers I really care about are ET's and trap speed. I'd rather have a 400 hp car that runs 11.50 than a 450 hp car that runs 11.90. Driver skill, reaction time, and car setup are sometimes more impotant than sheer horsepower. The fastest car does not always win the drag race. The best driver, and car setup usually does. Ask Coach about this because his superior driving skills have sent many people home early. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> With a M6 too. <img border="0" alt="[Fluffy]" title="" src="graemlins/fluffy.gif" /> He also has a bad *** car as well. <img border="0" alt="[hail]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_hail.gif" />
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With that being said the only numbers I really care about are ET's and trap speed. I'd rather have a 400 hp car that runs 11.50 than a 450 hp car that runs 11.90. Driver skill, reaction time, and car setup are sometimes more impotant than sheer horsepower. The fastest car does not always win the drag race. The best driver, and car setup usually does. Ask Coach about this because his superior driving skills have sent many people home early. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> With a M6 too. <img border="0" alt="[Fluffy]" title="" src="graemlins/fluffy.gif" /> He also has a bad *** car as well. <img border="0" alt="[hail]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_hail.gif" />
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10-14-2002, 08:50 AM
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Re: How come all these badas dyno numbers and no track times? Well put, and your right if the most powerful car always won the race, than Warren Johnson would be unbeatable! <img border="0" alt="[Burnout]" title="" src="graemlins/burnout.gif" />
10-14-2002, 10:40 AM
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Re: How come all these badas dyno numbers and no track times? Well Jeff, unfortunatly alot of people or the majority take one peak data point from dyno sheet and try to directly coorelate it into ET, that would be a silly as saying "Well the Quarterback is going to win the game" without having an excellent reciever. It's all about team work and insuring that every power data point is strong and doing it's job. I have personally witnessed some "dyno queens" only running ET's of a bolt on car. Matching the "package" ie power output to the peak rpm's, converter size, cam size, runner size and chassis weight along with gearing is most important.
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