Serious questions& concerns on my TEA heads
10-21-2002, 05:59 AM
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Re: Serious questions& concerns on my TEA heads </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by SRPracing:
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I flowed a set of your heads this last weekend for a customer. I am installing these heads on his car. I told him I would have to take them apart, clean them and check everything out before I would install them. Upon tearing them down I noticed the intake ports seemed to be good but the exhaust ports were barelly worked over. I relayed this info to the customer and then flowed the heads. I came up with considerably lower numbers on the exhaust then you had stated. 55 cfm to be exact at .600 lift. The intake was close but about 6-8 cfm down through the range. Could have been the bench. Did you use the bench correction factor when you figured your numbers? I punched your numbers in without the correction factor and came up with the same numbers as you within a cfm. Now back to the exhaust. I have heard you use a pipe. This is good for in house testing but is not the standard that everyone uses. This can change the numbers considerably on some heads. I still don't see how it could be 55 cfm though. The problem is that you are stating real high numbers on the ex that are nothing near what others are getting. This is like false advertisement. I have talked to a few people that have purchased or wanting to purchase your heads because of these numbers. This is not fair to the buyer. I won't go into the quality of your ex port. I will say your heads are a good product for the price. I wouldn't do a set for the price you charge. On the intake side I used a clay radis. If you want to use your exhaust numbers with a pipe you need to give the intake numbers with a intake. And we both know the results of that. Wouldn't sell many heads that way. I am not here to bash you or your product. Like I said, they are good for the price. But you need to fix the way you sell those ex numbers.
Jesse</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">And you are??? And YOUR heads produce??? And you have how much experience??? Please elaborate. Sorry, but with one post, and appearing to bash, insult, and redicule TEAs flow numbers and port quality, some qualifications please..... (?)
Bottom line is, these heads produce. Period. Bet some of the "Big three" don't perform this well (for double the price, BTW) TEA will tell you first thing when you deal with them that flow numbers DO NOT determine the quality of a head, port velocity as well as flow numbers below the peak are as if not more meaningful.
Regardless of flow numbers (which mean little to me, ever tried racing a flowbench?) they produce.
Thanks, Shawn (SARacing) <----- Catchy, huh? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />
<small>[ October 21, 2002, 06:06 AM: Message edited by: SPANKY LS1 ]</small>
<strong>TEA
I flowed a set of your heads this last weekend for a customer. I am installing these heads on his car. I told him I would have to take them apart, clean them and check everything out before I would install them. Upon tearing them down I noticed the intake ports seemed to be good but the exhaust ports were barelly worked over. I relayed this info to the customer and then flowed the heads. I came up with considerably lower numbers on the exhaust then you had stated. 55 cfm to be exact at .600 lift. The intake was close but about 6-8 cfm down through the range. Could have been the bench. Did you use the bench correction factor when you figured your numbers? I punched your numbers in without the correction factor and came up with the same numbers as you within a cfm. Now back to the exhaust. I have heard you use a pipe. This is good for in house testing but is not the standard that everyone uses. This can change the numbers considerably on some heads. I still don't see how it could be 55 cfm though. The problem is that you are stating real high numbers on the ex that are nothing near what others are getting. This is like false advertisement. I have talked to a few people that have purchased or wanting to purchase your heads because of these numbers. This is not fair to the buyer. I won't go into the quality of your ex port. I will say your heads are a good product for the price. I wouldn't do a set for the price you charge. On the intake side I used a clay radis. If you want to use your exhaust numbers with a pipe you need to give the intake numbers with a intake. And we both know the results of that. Wouldn't sell many heads that way. I am not here to bash you or your product. Like I said, they are good for the price. But you need to fix the way you sell those ex numbers.
Jesse</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">And you are??? And YOUR heads produce??? And you have how much experience??? Please elaborate. Sorry, but with one post, and appearing to bash, insult, and redicule TEAs flow numbers and port quality, some qualifications please..... (?)
Bottom line is, these heads produce. Period. Bet some of the "Big three" don't perform this well (for double the price, BTW) TEA will tell you first thing when you deal with them that flow numbers DO NOT determine the quality of a head, port velocity as well as flow numbers below the peak are as if not more meaningful.
Regardless of flow numbers (which mean little to me, ever tried racing a flowbench?) they produce.
Thanks, Shawn (SARacing) <----- Catchy, huh? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />
<small>[ October 21, 2002, 06:06 AM: Message edited by: SPANKY LS1 ]</small>
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Re: Serious questions& concerns on my TEA heads He probably means open to refer too flowing them without a stack or pipe on the exhaust. The stack or pipe will add 20-40 cfm depending on what pipe is used.
From what I have seen most vendors do not flow with a stack on the exhaust.
TEA appears to make a good product as do all the vendors here. (although I have no first hand experience with TEA...there are several satisfied members here with their products)
There isnt anything inherently wrong with flowing the exhaust side with a stack, it just results in a higher exhaust flow reading (typically 20-40 CFM)
What bore were the heads flowed on and what pressure? What brand of bench and what correction. This info is important for any meaningful comparision to be done.
Cheers,
Chris
<small>[ October 21, 2002, 09:23 AM: Message edited by: Chris ARE 360 ]</small>
From what I have seen most vendors do not flow with a stack on the exhaust.
TEA appears to make a good product as do all the vendors here. (although I have no first hand experience with TEA...there are several satisfied members here with their products)
There isnt anything inherently wrong with flowing the exhaust side with a stack, it just results in a higher exhaust flow reading (typically 20-40 CFM)
What bore were the heads flowed on and what pressure? What brand of bench and what correction. This info is important for any meaningful comparision to be done.
Cheers,
Chris
<small>[ October 21, 2002, 09:23 AM: Message edited by: Chris ARE 360 ]</small>
10-21-2002, 09:25 AM
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Re: Serious questions& concerns on my TEA heads Good points Chris. The only way to compare apples to apples is to have heads from different vendors flowed on the same bench. Dyno numbers should be compared like this too. There are differences.
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10-21-2002, 09:40 AM
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Re: Serious questions& concerns on my TEA heads Flow numbers shmoenumbers.. TAKE IT TO THE TRACK!
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10-21-2002, 10:06 AM
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Re: Serious questions& concerns on my TEA heads LOL!!! How many people buy heads from a vendor and immediately have them flowed by someone else? Questioning the product b4 trying them. Plus, from what I have heard.. TEA CNC's their heads so the #'s are going to be the same from head to head. Then we have this ONE post person who never felt the need to venture on this board till now bash a vendor. I really do not want to hear about this ONE post person's credentials.. The LS1 heads have only been out since 97'. So anything b4 that means nothing.. Secondary to not hearing anything about this ONE post person in any MAGAZINES for having one of the best LS1 heads in the business I really think they should shut up. I think he is trying to get you to spend your money with him.. Flow Tech bashed many vendors on this board as well and look how their heads turned out. I put on basically stock heads with a little milling and produced better #'s than Flow Techs Stage 2 heads.. I say put the heads on the car. Get it tuned and take it to the track.. I am bad at bench racing myself, but I have seen first hand that the #'s do not always tell the story.. CNC machines do not have a bad day... You have the same quality as some of the other happy customers who went thru TEA.. As long as you have all the bolt ons like most of the other high # cars.. You will dyno right up there with them.. You have to read the board closely.. We have a crazy # of members. About 10 percent post their #'s because they are happy with them. A higher percentage never post their #'s because they are either unhappy or they can care less. Then you have those that are trying to help others and post good or bad.. Like me.. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> I had a post asking for all the over 400rwhp 346 H/C to respond. At that time only I think 30 cars responded.. Look at how many members we have..
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Re: Serious questions& concerns on my TEA heads All I would like to say is:
TEA ROCKS!!! I love my heads. Brian Tooley is a personal friend of mine and a very honest and knowledgable man.
Maybe that SRPracing post came from Jesse Ventura. Now that he's QUIT his governors job he might be trying to weasel into the performance engine business so he can QUIT it half way through...haaahahaaaa!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
TEA TEA TEA TEA !!!
TEA ROCKS!!! I love my heads. Brian Tooley is a personal friend of mine and a very honest and knowledgable man.
Maybe that SRPracing post came from Jesse Ventura. Now that he's QUIT his governors job he might be trying to weasel into the performance engine business so he can QUIT it half way through...haaahahaaaa!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
TEA TEA TEA TEA !!!
10-21-2002, 10:49 AM
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Re: Serious questions& concerns on my TEA heads Guy's, SRPracing is my installer.
Jesse, is just reporting his findings. While this is his first post on this board, he has an outstanding background in LS1 engines. He did a large number of heads and cam installs on LT1 & LS1's at MTI before moving on to the professional racing world. Don't give Jesse a bad time because he's only made one post. He doesn't have time to hang out on LS1tech and run up a big post count...like I do!
I don't think Jesse is bashing either. If you read his post it clearly state TEA is an good value, he praised the intake ports as being nice etc. He clearly states the pipe can have a dramatic effect. A few people need to get real and read what the post actually says without reading into what you thinkit says.
I think most you know I like TEA, and think TEA is an excellent choice. On this board and ls1.com and I defend TEA the products for the most part.
I think the TEA's will make excellent power and have a few details ie parts to pick up before Jesse installs the heads on my car. I ALWAYS have internal stuff checked before it goes into the car. I would do this regardless of vendor.
With that said, back to Topfig's thread, as I have no intention to hijack his thread or see this thread be misconstrued as a bash toward anyone.
Jesse, is just reporting his findings. While this is his first post on this board, he has an outstanding background in LS1 engines. He did a large number of heads and cam installs on LT1 & LS1's at MTI before moving on to the professional racing world. Don't give Jesse a bad time because he's only made one post. He doesn't have time to hang out on LS1tech and run up a big post count...like I do!
I don't think Jesse is bashing either. If you read his post it clearly state TEA is an good value, he praised the intake ports as being nice etc. He clearly states the pipe can have a dramatic effect. A few people need to get real and read what the post actually says without reading into what you thinkit says.
I think most you know I like TEA, and think TEA is an excellent choice. On this board and ls1.com and I defend TEA the products for the most part.
I think the TEA's will make excellent power and have a few details ie parts to pick up before Jesse installs the heads on my car. I ALWAYS have internal stuff checked before it goes into the car. I would do this regardless of vendor.
With that said, back to Topfig's thread, as I have no intention to hijack his thread or see this thread be misconstrued as a bash toward anyone.
10-21-2002, 10:57 AM
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Re: Serious questions& concerns on my TEA heads </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Dustin Butts:
All I would like to say is:
TEA ROCKS!!! I love my heads. Brian Tooley is a personal friend of mine and a very honest and knowledgable man.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I have a high opinion of Brian Tooley as well, that's why I do business with him.
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Maybe that SRPracing post came from Jesse Ventura. Now that he's QUIT his governors job he might be trying to weasel into the performance engine business so he can QUIT it half way through...haaahahaaaa!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I think your comment is uncalled for and way out of line.
I have a very high opinion of SRP. Likewise Jesse is a personal friend of mine, I know he is very honest and has an outstanding level of knowledge. That's why I choose to do business with SRP.
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<small>[ October 21, 2002, 10:58 AM: Message edited by: 99 Black Bird T/A ]</small>
All I would like to say is:
TEA ROCKS!!! I love my heads. Brian Tooley is a personal friend of mine and a very honest and knowledgable man.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I have a high opinion of Brian Tooley as well, that's why I do business with him.
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Maybe that SRPracing post came from Jesse Ventura. Now that he's QUIT his governors job he might be trying to weasel into the performance engine business so he can QUIT it half way through...haaahahaaaa!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I think your comment is uncalled for and way out of line.
I have a very high opinion of SRP. Likewise Jesse is a personal friend of mine, I know he is very honest and has an outstanding level of knowledge. That's why I choose to do business with SRP.
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10-21-2002, 01:52 PM
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Re: Serious questions& concerns on my TEA heads I do not mean to burst anyones bubble, but that whole SRPRacing response was a bash..
SRPRacing"TEA
I flowed a set of your heads this last weekend for a customer. I am installing these heads on his car. I told him I would have to take them apart, clean them and check everything out before I would install them. Upon tearing them down I noticed the intake ports seemed to be good but the exhaust ports were barelly worked over. I relayed this info to the customer and then flowed the heads. I came up with considerably lower numbers on the exhaust then you had stated. 55 cfm to be exact at .600 lift. The intake was close but about 6-8 cfm down through the range."
Bash!!!
SRPRacing"Could have been the bench. Did you use the bench correction factor when you figured your numbers? I punched your numbers in without the correction factor and came up with the same numbers as you within a cfm. Now back to the exhaust. I have heard you use a pipe. This is good for in house testing but is not the standard that everyone uses. This can change the numbers considerably on some heads. I still don't see how it could be 55 cfm though. The problem is that you are stating real high numbers on the ex that are nothing near what others are getting. This is like false advertisement. I have talked to a few people that have purchased or wanting to purchase your heads because of these numbers. This is not fair to the buyer. I won't go into the quality of your ex port. "
Bash!!!
SRPRacing"I will say your heads are a good product for the price. I wouldn't do a set for the price you charge. On the intake side I used a clay radis. If you want to use your exhaust numbers with a pipe you need to give the intake numbers with a intake. And we both know the results of that. Wouldn't sell many heads that way. I am not here to bash you or your product. Like I said, they are good for the price. But you need to fix the way you sell those ex numbers." Jesse
I know passive aggressive comments when I see them.. Guess what? I see them.. Yes I am defending a vendor.. I was corrected when I made comments about ARE. I apologized.. Guess what? If wanted the best nitrous motor I would call Wade and Barry up in a minute.. Ask for my senior citizen discount and move on.. I personally think this thread should have never happened.. MARINE!! You should have put the car together, tuned her, and presented those #'s.. Just to let you know.. San Diego is too close to Mexico.. You will never get any work done.. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> Ex-Army SSG here.. My cousin is in the Navy stationed at Pensacola.. I'll be driving thru there on my way to the Thunder Racing shootout. I can pick you up if you like.. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
SRPRacing"TEA
I flowed a set of your heads this last weekend for a customer. I am installing these heads on his car. I told him I would have to take them apart, clean them and check everything out before I would install them. Upon tearing them down I noticed the intake ports seemed to be good but the exhaust ports were barelly worked over. I relayed this info to the customer and then flowed the heads. I came up with considerably lower numbers on the exhaust then you had stated. 55 cfm to be exact at .600 lift. The intake was close but about 6-8 cfm down through the range."
Bash!!!
SRPRacing"Could have been the bench. Did you use the bench correction factor when you figured your numbers? I punched your numbers in without the correction factor and came up with the same numbers as you within a cfm. Now back to the exhaust. I have heard you use a pipe. This is good for in house testing but is not the standard that everyone uses. This can change the numbers considerably on some heads. I still don't see how it could be 55 cfm though. The problem is that you are stating real high numbers on the ex that are nothing near what others are getting. This is like false advertisement. I have talked to a few people that have purchased or wanting to purchase your heads because of these numbers. This is not fair to the buyer. I won't go into the quality of your ex port. "
Bash!!!
SRPRacing"I will say your heads are a good product for the price. I wouldn't do a set for the price you charge. On the intake side I used a clay radis. If you want to use your exhaust numbers with a pipe you need to give the intake numbers with a intake. And we both know the results of that. Wouldn't sell many heads that way. I am not here to bash you or your product. Like I said, they are good for the price. But you need to fix the way you sell those ex numbers." Jesse
I know passive aggressive comments when I see them.. Guess what? I see them.. Yes I am defending a vendor.. I was corrected when I made comments about ARE. I apologized.. Guess what? If wanted the best nitrous motor I would call Wade and Barry up in a minute.. Ask for my senior citizen discount and move on.. I personally think this thread should have never happened.. MARINE!! You should have put the car together, tuned her, and presented those #'s.. Just to let you know.. San Diego is too close to Mexico.. You will never get any work done.. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> Ex-Army SSG here.. My cousin is in the Navy stationed at Pensacola.. I'll be driving thru there on my way to the Thunder Racing shootout. I can pick you up if you like.. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
10-21-2002, 02:53 PM
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Re: Serious questions& concerns on my TEA heads Well, I will try to put it mildly and try not to offend, but if I do GET OVER IT! I posted this thread for one reason only. I wanted to know why there would be such a difference in cfm from bench to bench. My concern was, are they going to flow well enough for a 250 shot of nitrous that I will be using. If you would take the time to carefully read my post, you will notice I said "I am not well versed". This means that I am looking for knowledge from the knowledgeable.
I under no circumstance said that the product was inferior, damaged or that I was displeased, this considering that I had e-mail a select few who had these heads before I purchased them.
I stated that I didn't know if it was a fair comparison. The information I needed was delivered to me within the first few replies.
For others to jump in on my thread and bash or flame TEA shame on you!
For another to tell me that this thread should have not been started, may I suggest 1 (800) WHA-AAAA.
The reason this site exists is to share information and experiences with each other on a common item i.e. LS1's. I would have posted on Stangnet, but I doubt I would have gotten the needed information.
Personally, I don't think it is right to judge or bash anyone in this type of forum. If you have questions then post it. If you have a problem with a sponsors product, call him.
To Brian Tooley, I apologize for the comments because it was originally my thread. As far as the heads are concerned, I will surely enjoy them.
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I under no circumstance said that the product was inferior, damaged or that I was displeased, this considering that I had e-mail a select few who had these heads before I purchased them.
I stated that I didn't know if it was a fair comparison. The information I needed was delivered to me within the first few replies.
For others to jump in on my thread and bash or flame TEA shame on you!
For another to tell me that this thread should have not been started, may I suggest 1 (800) WHA-AAAA.
The reason this site exists is to share information and experiences with each other on a common item i.e. LS1's. I would have posted on Stangnet, but I doubt I would have gotten the needed information.
Personally, I don't think it is right to judge or bash anyone in this type of forum. If you have questions then post it. If you have a problem with a sponsors product, call him.
To Brian Tooley, I apologize for the comments because it was originally my thread. As far as the heads are concerned, I will surely enjoy them.
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10-21-2002, 03:09 PM
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Re: Serious questions& concerns on my TEA heads IF I READ THIS CORRECTLY CUSTOMER GAVE A SET OF HEADS TO BE INSTALLED,THEY NEEDED CLEANING AND REASSEMBLY.SOUNDS LIKE USED HEADS.[POSSIBLE THEY ARE NOT TEA HEADS? DID SOME ONE SELL THEM AS TEA HEADS? WORST THINGS HAVE HAPPENED. MY 2 CENTS <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />
10-21-2002, 03:42 PM
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Re: Serious questions& concerns on my TEA heads If 1(800) WHA-AAAA is your # I am calling it now.. LOL!!! Its "We are only 18!" Yes, this is an informative website.. You have a right to post whatever you want.. My thing is people are waiting to BASH whenever they think someone or some vendor is not on the up and up.. You gave them the opportunity.. I think your car is going to be sick fast.. No telling what this unknown is going to do to your heads, but we will see.. This is the first time I have ever heard of another shop taking another shops heads and taking them totally apart and putting them back together again. Hmmm.. Are these heads new or used? Another thing.. If you are new to all of this.. You are taking a pretty big leap with that Nitrous shot you are talking about running. I am thinking that you have a BB Forged 346ci Shortblock? You said that this is an informative website.. Could you elaborate more on what you are planning? Or is it a secret..?
10-21-2002, 03:55 PM
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Re: Serious questions& concerns on my TEA heads The bottom end has been forged and every bolt has been replaced. As far as the heads being taken apart, that was not me. That was someone else that chimed in. All I did was have them flowed as is. I think some of you are taking everything he and the guy from SPR racing or whatever it was said and thinking it was me. I had no problem with the heads, just questions and concerns that were answered.
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10-21-2002, 04:00 PM
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Re: Serious questions& concerns on my TEA heads All this talk about flow numbers is complete garbage. You can not compare flow numbers on 2 different benches. Lets put this to rest..bottom line is if your car make good horsepower and torque on the dyno and puts up decent numbers at the track then who Fu*K** cares about flow numbers. People/vendors Bashing vendors is getting old.
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10-21-2002, 04:21 PM
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Re: Serious questions& concerns on my TEA heads Phil I agree totally.. Topfig I apologize.. I thought the peeps that chimed in were your friends and they were giving out information about your heads. I thought this information was supplied by you to them.. You have the right shortblock to accomplish your goals and I think you are going in the right direction.. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
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Re: Serious questions& concerns on my TEA heads Vince,
I don't know who you are but your not worth my time to tell you what I think of you and your thoughts. Besides, that doesn't need to be done on the list. Now to defend what I said earlier. Like I said earlier, I had no intention to bash TEA. I was just stating what I seen. I know that using a pipe will help the numbers. This is fine. But why don't they give there intake numbers with a intake manifold installed? This is way more important then the pipe. The reason, because they would loose flow and this wouldn't look good. I don't have much more else to say on the subject. By listening to the comments hear I can see the experience level of the people I am dealing with. If you all had this experience you talk about, then why do you send your cars and heads to shops to have the work done? And before you guys comment on flow bench's, you should first understand how they work. Some of this may have sounded like i was bashing some in this post, and I may have to agree with that. But after all the BS i have just read, I deserve a little bashing. Wade, thanks for your comments. Wish I could have been here to defend myself. Probably better I wasn't. Now you know why I stay away from these bench racing websites. If anyone would like to talk more on this issue in a civil matter, I am all for it.
Jesse
I don't know who you are but your not worth my time to tell you what I think of you and your thoughts. Besides, that doesn't need to be done on the list. Now to defend what I said earlier. Like I said earlier, I had no intention to bash TEA. I was just stating what I seen. I know that using a pipe will help the numbers. This is fine. But why don't they give there intake numbers with a intake manifold installed? This is way more important then the pipe. The reason, because they would loose flow and this wouldn't look good. I don't have much more else to say on the subject. By listening to the comments hear I can see the experience level of the people I am dealing with. If you all had this experience you talk about, then why do you send your cars and heads to shops to have the work done? And before you guys comment on flow bench's, you should first understand how they work. Some of this may have sounded like i was bashing some in this post, and I may have to agree with that. But after all the BS i have just read, I deserve a little bashing. Wade, thanks for your comments. Wish I could have been here to defend myself. Probably better I wasn't. Now you know why I stay away from these bench racing websites. If anyone would like to talk more on this issue in a civil matter, I am all for it.
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10-21-2002, 10:02 PM
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Re: Serious questions& concerns on my TEA heads To my knowledge, TEA heads are top of the line-regardless of their killer price. Most H/C setups with TEA heads/cam produce 420+ rwhp, some more with tuning. Flow numbers mean very little all by themselves, the combo is what is important. I have yet to see a TEA car not produce good numbers on the dyno and at the track where it counts.
10-21-2002, 10:22 PM
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Re: Serious questions& concerns on my TEA heads News Flash "The World is Flat." Actually that is pretty old news, we all know its round. It is accepted that it is round. TEA flows their exhaust with a pipe, we don't hide that fact, we publicize it. Ken Sperry (Airflow Engineer at GM) told me in 1994 to never develop exh ports or flow exh ports without a pipe, he was working on the LS1 head at that time. I was intelligent enough to listen. We have flowed LS1 exh ports from about everyone in the business and on our bench with a pipe ours flow as much as anyones out there and is SMALLER. This is our belief, if we can get 70%-80% intake to exhaust flow ratio with a small exhaust then it is easier to tune and easier to develop power with. Dick Maskin owner of Dart cyl heads and the man behind many NHRA Prostock champions told me to develop exhaust ports that are of a consistent cross section. This means they have to be bigger in the bowl (to make up for the valve stem) then at the exit to have a consistent cross section. I was intelligent enough to listen to him as well. If you look at almost everyones LS1 exhaust ports they look like a megaphone, getting bigger as they get to the flange. Which is clearly backwards according to Dick Maskin. I have seen these ports work, but once again I believe they are harder to tune. I can't believe people look at our exhaust ports and see how small the exit is and then think this is a bad thing!
All of these heads run on a car with some sort of pipe extending from the head, so don't say we are misleading people by advertising exhaust numbers with a pipe, this should be the industry standard! If the other heads shops will catch on then they can start advertising exh numbers with a pipe and it will all be relevant. Will their exhaust numbers be higher then ours with a pipe? If they have a small opening like ours I will bet they won't flow any higher. The bigger ports may, but then they should, THEIR BIGGER. You can develop exh ports that flow lots of air and then add a pipe and lose airflow, do you think that exh port will run? I can tell you, it will not. The standard for most cyl head people these days is to flow with a pipe, this is not false advertisement, just a different way to do something and we feel is the best way. By the way we are developing a bigger CNC exhaust port but we are calling it a "Nitrous Exhaust Port."
To all of those that spoke up in our name we Thank You, now when someone says "Where's the love" I can say on LS1tech.com Brian @ TEA
All of these heads run on a car with some sort of pipe extending from the head, so don't say we are misleading people by advertising exhaust numbers with a pipe, this should be the industry standard! If the other heads shops will catch on then they can start advertising exh numbers with a pipe and it will all be relevant. Will their exhaust numbers be higher then ours with a pipe? If they have a small opening like ours I will bet they won't flow any higher. The bigger ports may, but then they should, THEIR BIGGER. You can develop exh ports that flow lots of air and then add a pipe and lose airflow, do you think that exh port will run? I can tell you, it will not. The standard for most cyl head people these days is to flow with a pipe, this is not false advertisement, just a different way to do something and we feel is the best way. By the way we are developing a bigger CNC exhaust port but we are calling it a "Nitrous Exhaust Port."
To all of those that spoke up in our name we Thank You, now when someone says "Where's the love" I can say on LS1tech.com Brian @ TEA