What are concerns and problems with installing/running a cam with 110 LSA??
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Re: What are concerns and problems with installing/running a cam with 110 LSA?? 3 of us in Orlando have run 226/234 114 (and 112) 0.554 0.575. The ramps rates on this cam are not particularly aggressive compared to XE or XE-R grinds. Your lift figures indicate even slower ramp rates.
The cam will make decent power buy your peek is going to be higher than need be and anything below 4 grand is going to be very weak. The 0.050 durations don't worry as much as the advertised duration figure. I'd look at an XE grind.
Tim
The cam will make decent power buy your peek is going to be higher than need be and anything below 4 grand is going to be very weak. The 0.050 durations don't worry as much as the advertised duration figure. I'd look at an XE grind.
Tim
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Re: What are concerns and problems with installing/running a cam with 110 LSA?? I'm guessin' peak HP at 6200-6400 RPM. Maybe a bit higher w S2 heads. Maybe someone like PSJ with more experience with higher duration cams will chime in. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" />
Only other issue I can think of is that with intake duration that high, even with the 110 LSA your powerband is gonna move up quite a bit from stock. You might want to do gears, too, if you haven't already. <img border="0" alt="[Burnout]" title="" src="graemlins/burnout.gif" />
Only other issue I can think of is that with intake duration that high, even with the 110 LSA your powerband is gonna move up quite a bit from stock. You might want to do gears, too, if you haven't already. <img border="0" alt="[Burnout]" title="" src="graemlins/burnout.gif" />
Re: What are concerns and problems with installing/running a cam with 110 LSA?? My old cam was on a 110 lsa and it idled fine post 10 sec's after startup. Hot starts did the same thing, but stop light to stop light I did not have a problem.. I also needed tuning.. My cam sits on the XE-R lobes, so the idle would be a lot smoother than most cams running the same 110 lsa..
Re: What are concerns and problems with installing/running a cam with 110 LSA?? Got Edit and gonna dyno-tune.
So how doggish is she gonna run in the lower range?
I'm manual and I like to stay above 2500-3K rpm's anyway <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
So how doggish is she gonna run in the lower range?
I'm manual and I like to stay above 2500-3K rpm's anyway <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
Re: What are concerns and problems with installing/running a cam with 110 LSA?? Not many 110 cam users on the board...
Vince
Kechme
Nicky from SDPC
So many 111 lsa cars idle well that I think that you can get a 110 car to idle okay.
Folks talk about reversion when going with more radical LSA's.
I think the cam will peak like 200~ish below that cam on a 112. That cam on a 112 used to be pretty popular (with more lift). I have heard of that cam on a 112 peaking at 6400 most of the time.
Have you been advised to significantly increase compression to fully take advantage of that camshaft, due to bleed off?
Vince
Kechme
Nicky from SDPC
So many 111 lsa cars idle well that I think that you can get a 110 car to idle okay.
Folks talk about reversion when going with more radical LSA's.
I think the cam will peak like 200~ish below that cam on a 112. That cam on a 112 used to be pretty popular (with more lift). I have heard of that cam on a 112 peaking at 6400 most of the time.
Have you been advised to significantly increase compression to fully take advantage of that camshaft, due to bleed off?
Re: What are concerns and problems with installing/running a cam with 110 LSA?? I do not know too much about where the ASA cam peaks, but my 232/226 .595/.585 lsa 110 with 0 advance peaked at 6400rpm.. 3 people on this board have driven my car with the 232/226 cam. 383LQ4SS, Allan from Futral Motorsports, and Mike Norris from Norris Motorsports. They all have different opinions of my cam.. Maybe they will chime in and tell you what they think..
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Re: What are concerns and problems with installing/running a cam with 110 LSA?? If you want to shift no higher than 6600 you may be leaving some powerband on the table with a 226 intake duration cam, even on a 110 LS. With my cam and S2 heads I am still making good power at 6500 after peaking at about 5800. With your proposed cam or the 224 I would think about a 6800 RPM shift. I think you generally want to stretch 600 RPM or so past your peak. This should put you at or around your torque peak on your upshift. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
Re: What are concerns and problems with installing/running a cam with 110 LSA?? Dang. I'd LOVE to shift that high but I hear my valve train goin' tick, tick, tick, . . . BOOM! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" />
Then:
<img border="0" alt="[whiner]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cry.gif" /> <<<--- me
Then:
<img border="0" alt="[whiner]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cry.gif" /> <<<--- me
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Verdad Gallardo Re: What are concerns and problems with installing/running a cam with 110 LSA?? I like to cruise around between 2500 and 3000, so 4K and up won't be a prob for me. I don't wanna have to shift any higher than 6600 though . . .
Re: What are concerns and problems with installing/running a cam with 110 LSA?? I am one of the guys running the ASA cam. I have a cam card from GTP just before I bought the cam.
Lift Intake(duration) Exhaust(duration)
.012 277.8 291.3
.020 267.9 281.0
.050 244.3 256.5
.100 219.2 230.2
.150 200.1 210.2
.200 183.4 192.7
.250 167.2 175.7
.300 150.5 158.3
.350 132.2 139.2
.400 111.4 117.3
.450 85.8 90.8
.500 48.8 52.4
.525 peak lift
Lift @ TDC .0959 (intake) .1277 (exhaust)
I personally love the cam. It does take a little bit for the idle to kick in when cold or under hot starts, but its not very bad. It idles great once warm with a nice little lope to it. You can really tell once you hit the cams power range at about 3000rpm. It has a huge kick. On stock heads, Grot headers, True Dual, and a lid with a very dirty air filter I pulled 368.9 rwhp @ 6300rpm and 359 rwtq at 4200rpm. The torque curve was very flat. The cam defenitly begs to have the LS6 intake manifold, I'm stuck with the lousy LS1 IM right now. If you have any more questions please feel free to ask.
Jason
Lift Intake(duration) Exhaust(duration)
.012 277.8 291.3
.020 267.9 281.0
.050 244.3 256.5
.100 219.2 230.2
.150 200.1 210.2
.200 183.4 192.7
.250 167.2 175.7
.300 150.5 158.3
.350 132.2 139.2
.400 111.4 117.3
.450 85.8 90.8
.500 48.8 52.4
.525 peak lift
Lift @ TDC .0959 (intake) .1277 (exhaust)
I personally love the cam. It does take a little bit for the idle to kick in when cold or under hot starts, but its not very bad. It idles great once warm with a nice little lope to it. You can really tell once you hit the cams power range at about 3000rpm. It has a huge kick. On stock heads, Grot headers, True Dual, and a lid with a very dirty air filter I pulled 368.9 rwhp @ 6300rpm and 359 rwtq at 4200rpm. The torque curve was very flat. The cam defenitly begs to have the LS6 intake manifold, I'm stuck with the lousy LS1 IM right now. If you have any more questions please feel free to ask.
Jason
Re: What are concerns and problems with installing/running a cam with 110 LSA?? As mentioned previously, the power curve is moved with heads <img border="0" title="" alt="[Sad]" src="gr_sad.gif" />
I'd like to know how much.
I'd like to know how much.
Re: What are concerns and problems with installing/running a cam with 110 LSA?? Gonna reply here and make a new post because I wanna get my stuff installed asap:
Would I lose power anywhere going to this ASA cam with S2 heads compared to my stock set-up with the bolt-ons I have now?
I like the low-end power I have now . . . would I lose any of that??
Would I lose power anywhere going to this ASA cam with S2 heads compared to my stock set-up with the bolt-ons I have now?
I like the low-end power I have now . . . would I lose any of that??
Re: What are concerns and problems with installing/running a cam with 110 LSA?? Just go with a single pattern cam like the TR224, especially if you don't want to spin it past 6600. The extra exaust duration won't help, only hurt in my opinion. The exaust ports flow VERY well once ported, actually the intake needs the crutch if anything (reverse split). The extra exaust duration will just hinder driveability, idle, and raise the power curve unnecesarily.
With a 220-224 duration single cam, you won't even need tuning for it to run well. If you want to know what cams work well, look at what the quicker guys run.
With a 220-224 duration single cam, you won't even need tuning for it to run well. If you want to know what cams work well, look at what the quicker guys run.
Re: What are concerns and problems with installing/running a cam with 110 LSA?? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Jantzer98SS:
<strong>Just go with a single pattern cam like the TR224, especially if you don't want to spin it past 6600. The extra exaust duration won't help, only hurt in my opinion. The exaust ports flow VERY well once ported, actually the intake needs the crutch if anything (reverse split). The extra exaust duration will just hinder driveability, idle, and raise the power curve unnecesarily.
With a 220-224 duration single cam, you won't even need tuning for it to run well. If you want to know what cams work well, look at what the quicker guys run.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Took your advice and did a search . . . if you've got one to sell I'll buy right now 954-401-8104.
<strong>Just go with a single pattern cam like the TR224, especially if you don't want to spin it past 6600. The extra exaust duration won't help, only hurt in my opinion. The exaust ports flow VERY well once ported, actually the intake needs the crutch if anything (reverse split). The extra exaust duration will just hinder driveability, idle, and raise the power curve unnecesarily.
With a 220-224 duration single cam, you won't even need tuning for it to run well. If you want to know what cams work well, look at what the quicker guys run.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Took your advice and did a search . . . if you've got one to sell I'll buy right now 954-401-8104.
Re: What are concerns and problems with installing/running a cam with 110 LSA?? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by DailyAluminumBlock:
<strong>I'll be rollin on 110lsa soon. Let ya know how it goes.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I decided to drop a 112 but I'd still be curious as to your results <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
I still have the 110 in the garage <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
<strong>I'll be rollin on 110lsa soon. Let ya know how it goes.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I decided to drop a 112 but I'd still be curious as to your results <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
I still have the 110 in the garage <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
Re: What are concerns and problems with installing/running a cam with 110 LSA?? I just installed a 230/230 .575 .575 110lsa 110icl and this cam rocks. The idle is just right and the power is smooth. No issues with idle and no issues with vacuum/brakes.
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Re: What are concerns and problems with installing/running a cam with 110 LSA?? All I will say is that the LS1 likes higher LSAs, in the 112/116 range, in most applications. Just look at LPE's standard numbers. For example, their 420 hp motor uses 116.5! THey clearly prefer to retain cylinder pressure as long as possible. I run 113 in my blown 346 cid.
Re: What are concerns and problems with installing/running a cam with 110 LSA?? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by phil97svt:
<strong>I just installed a 230/230 .575 .575 110lsa 110icl and this cam rocks. The idle is just right and the power is smooth. No issues with idle and no issues with vacuum/brakes.
Phillip</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I just recieved my 232/232 .575/.575 114LSA 110ICL
to install in my 383
<strong>I just installed a 230/230 .575 .575 110lsa 110icl and this cam rocks. The idle is just right and the power is smooth. No issues with idle and no issues with vacuum/brakes.
Phillip</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I just recieved my 232/232 .575/.575 114LSA 110ICL
to install in my 383