LPE SS

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Ragtop 99:
<strong>Clearly you need to look at it including everything LPE supplies. The other parts alone probably add a grand.

This is a drive out price, tuned and emission compliant, something many shops do not offer.

Even once you equalize all services, LPE may not be the cheapest price, but warranty and resale value count for something.

IMO, If they deliver the advertised 420 rwhp w/o headers, then you have received your money's worth.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Compared to most of the other 'named' shops out there LPE was a $1000 higher for the similar components.

The 420 figure however was measured at the motor on previous H/C packages. Myself and two friends of mine were about 20hp higher due to new cam profiles. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

stealth

I bought LPE's 420 hp (375 rwhp) package a few years ago, along with a converter and Borla exhaust. Although I've since changed most components including the cam, LPE's long-block, w/290-ish cfm heads forms the basis of my low 10-second 346 cid Camaro SS.

LPE may be slightly more expensive than other shops, but I would not hesitate to ask them to give me quote on a new motor, etc. Afterall, they do good work, provide a two year warranty and no one has more LS-1 experience than John.

niphilli

I dont think there are many/any people who have had work done by LPE that would say anything negative about them. At least I have never heard an actual customer bash them. (By this I mean people who had LPE parts installed by LPE). If you are on a tight budget then by all means do not use LPE. I have no doubt there are some smaller business that will do EXCELLENT quality work on a H/C job and stand by them to the best of their ability (Rapid Motorsports for example <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> ). But if I had the extra 2K to spend it would be worth it for me to have my engine pulled, inspected, modified, then re-installed with a fresh warrenty, we are not exactly talking about simple bolt ons here; stuff can go wrong. 2K is worth the piece of mind in my book. Maybe I am a "Label *****" but I would have no reservation about paying an extra 2K to have my Work done by LPE.

-Nick

<small>[ December 10, 2002, 04:02 PM: Message edited by: niphilli ]</small>

AlonzoVersion 1.0

I have done my home work and thats why I call <img border="0" alt="[bullshit]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_bs.gif" /> .That is just nuts for $7000 bucks but to each their own.You said something about fair in a earlier post ED POTTER well you should know by now that life isnt fair.You should be able to tell this by your rates.

Louis

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Alonzo, simmer down. Its OK. You go your route, and LPE will go theirs. Ed has nothing against you or anyone for that matter, so stop the <img border="0" alt="[bullshit]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_bs.gif" /> man already!

Please tell me where I can get an MTI 38x for 5k- Im there, along with everyone else that wants a built sleeved bottomend for 5k. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

Just keep your personal comments to yourself, as you seem to be the only one raising the <img border="0" alt="[bullshit]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_bs.gif" /> flag <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

Pro Stock John

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Let's help the guy who started the thread make a decision...

Back to topic, I know of a local LPE h/c car that made similar power to comparable packages and the engine compartment was clean and free of scratches.

snaksknr

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by G2 LS1:
<strong>
Please tell me where I can get an MTI 38x for 5k- Im there, along with everyone else that wants a built sleeved bottomend for 5k. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">It's 'Alonzo math'... now let's talk about some <img border="0" alt="[bullshit]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_bs.gif" /> !
You know, you buy'm a book, send'm to school and they still don't show up for class! Damn, I guess some nuts are harder to crack. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Sad]" src="gr_sad.gif" />

BYE RICE -- I have to agree with niphilli in that there are some shops out there willing to do a great job for a very reasonable price. As I stated earlier though, LPE was only a $1000 higher than other shops with comparable parts. You need to put down on paper what is you're looking for, what you expect, how much you're willing to spend and what kind of sacrifices are you willing to make as a result of your decision. I can't help to be somewhat bias because of the decision I made. You certainly wouldn't be a 'label *****' by any means, maybe a 'bitch' <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> , but you are the one writing the check, so the hell with anyone else thinks. Just tell them you did your homework <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> .

Superman

Reliability, workmanship, emmisions, resale value, warranty, peace of mind...etc, if you got the money, go for it!

BYE RICE

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From what I've gathered,LPE is to tuner shops like Armani is to suits.They appearantly have a well deserved reputation for quality through-out.Like any company renowned for being good at what they do,theres going to be some mark-up associated with the name.But they will very inclined to stand behind their product.
The price quoted doesn't seem to be unreasonable considering whose doing the work.I've decided it's worth it.And,yes,I'd be quite proud to say "The motor was done by Lingenfelter."
It also means no aftermarket hoods or FM/5's, beacause I blew my wad on the motor. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Sad]" src="gr_sad.gif" />
But in the end,that's what important anyway.
I appreciate everyones input.
Tyson.

Bink

LPE is god. That's what they said about Clapton isn't it?? Damn, showing my age. More often than not it seems GM Performance contacts the Big "L" for LSX help. There is a lot of intellectual property there and it's worth a bundle. There are people in this world who will pay 1 million $ + for a used McClaren F1.
Just my $0.02. <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />

bae_98Z

How 'bout a real life example to show that LPE's prices are reasonable? This is what I spent...

Stage II Heads $1900
Camshaft $430
LS6 Intake $465 (similar to port matched intake, maybe???)
Gasket Kit $240
Installation $1100
Total $4134

Things missing:
Borla Exhaust $770
Ported Throttle Body $150
Air Lid $130
K&N Filter $53
Chassis Dyno $100
Tuning $450

Grand Total $5787

I have also seen extended warrantees range from $1000-$1500, and that is only on the stock car where LPE warantees the mods as well.

Add it all up and it is close to $7000.

Sounds like a reasonable price to me.

Kyung

AlonzoVersion 1.0

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Ed Potter @ LPE:
<strong>Wow -

Thanks for all of the fairness here guys!
seriously, the post asked for LPE owners to give their opinions, and correct me if I'm wrong, but I only saw 1 owner, the rest were experts trying to push that guy in the direction of shops they are loyal to. The 1 owner that did post said he only got 320 RWHP on a head & cam, that seems low to me, and I'm sure there's more to that story than we are hearing.
The thing I don't hear anyone talking about here is quality. I don't think you'll find anyone that questions the quality of our work, or our willingness to stand behind it, especially in the area of ECM tuning, which we all know is critical, and we all know that not everybody can do a good job. I'm not trying to say that we are perfect, and never have a problem, but when we do , we fix it BEFORE we give the car back to the owner. Look around the forum and see some of the stories that people have had to go through when they use a lesser known tuner to save some money.
I think that asking around and reading posts on the forum will give you enough solid information to make a decision, and if you truly think that someone else can do a better job, for less money, then by all means, send them your car, because you being happy with your car is what it's all about.

Ed</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Okay there is a reason why I am not a customer and its because of your prices.Also I am not pushing him or her anywhere I just want to make sure that they get the best deal possible for their money.Also I never claimed to be an expert but I am pretty good at calling <img border="0" alt="[bullshit]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_bs.gif" /> when I see it no offense to you of course <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> There are other sponsors that a person can go to and get the same kind of quality work and not have any problems and the shop will stand behind their work.I know that I might be violating the code of eithics or what not but who cares.What I wanna know is why do you guys charge so much more for your products for example your stage 2 heads and cam and new short block?Okay I can get a 346 forged block anyway that I want it for $2600 and a pair of excellent heads for $1800 and tuning etc.. and still have a warranty and a good $2000 left over.Why the huge mark up.Anyone on this board can get that same deal that I get by the way.I could get an MTI 383 all bore for $5000 installed and get a set of heads and still have some change left over.

AlonzoVersion 1.0

I got that quote from Jayson himself at MTI it was $5000 with exchange.Alonzo math huh snaksknr?Make sure that you do your homework before you start talking because I have done mine.I see your some what of a comedian well so am I.You wanna talk about nuts?Lets talk about how you can wipe off LPE's nut off your chin trick because it looks like its just running everywhere on your face.Do you know who you remind me of?The hamburgaler from Mcdonalds because when you get done sucking them off you say "RUBBLE RUBBLE".If you wanna start personal attacks then let me know.I never maid any attacks at you but I will if you keep popping off at the mouth trick.

LPE SS

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Alonzo -- Where do I begin...?

Let's start from the beginning. BYE RICE is looking for some HELP and info regarding people who HAVE HAD WORK DONE BY LPE, which pretty much makes your 'valuable' 2 cent opinion worthless seeing how your ride is not LPE powered. Am I right so far? It's early, read on...

Then you attack a valued sponsor by basically telling them they're a 'rip-off', again missing the point of this thread with your selfish ignorance and worthless 2 cents. But as you said, you just want to make sure 'WE' get the best possible deal for our money. Our hero... NOBODY ASKED YOU how WE (or he) should spend our (his) money!

To top it off you throw out some ridiculous $5000 figure for an installed all bore 383! Some of us were probably born at night but not last night. Did you not pay attention to the thread previous to your last? BAE 98Z pointed out he had just over $4000 invested not including some the components LPE includes, which, might I add near the $7000 figure LPE charges. What else comes with this discount 383? How about the top end? You know, heads, cam, intake etc? Is that included? Hell their Stage II heads alone are $2800!!!! Sorry man, everyone else charges nearly 3x that, but whatever... See, the math doesn't add up.

Out of respect for BYE RICE's thread I am not going to get into a debate about your sensitivity issues. My intentions were not to offend you in any way. If you have taken the 'factual' information based on personal experience and research with an added 'shot in the arm' then that's your problem. Get over it and grow up.

J-Rod

I haven't done another head to head comparison in a while. But I got a price of $7000 from MTI for a H/C job on my 2002 Z06, but that did included a set of headers.

My buddy has a Lingenfelter prepared Corvette (an 88') keep in mind that this car in 89-90 was running 11.80s or quicker would fire up as soon as you hit the key and was completely driveable. I had an 88 Vette also, bone stock it ran 14.67 with a test pipe chip, thermostat,K&N, flowmasters, etc... It ran 13.9s. I got 1 13.89 in 35 degree weather... So, I have to admit thte Lingenfelter car stomped a stock Vette back then..

Sure, you are going to pay a bit more for the Lingenfelter name on some things. But look at their Stage I heads. $1595 for heads that flow just as well (307 @ .600) as anyone elses? That to me is not a "rip off" that is a pretty decent deal...

Sure, you will pay a bit more than Lingenfelter than from others. But, what you will get is great customer service, total drivability of your car, and good power.

Lingenfelter kits are different than many of the other tuners out there. As stated their stuff is Emissions compliant. Most of the other H/C cars would never pass a sniff test. Lingenfelter cars don't have the choppy idle and stinky smell of an overly rich condition that many other H/C cars exhibit.

I am not knocking any of the other tuners or their packages. I think it comes down to what you want. Here is the way I see it. You can go to some of the other shops get a more radical package that makes more peak HP. Or, you can go to Lingenfelter and get a more refined package that makes good power, passes emissions, and is totally driveable.

I think this is why you see a lot more Vette guys going to Lingenfelter than F-Body owners. I think many F-Body owners want the ragged edge of perfromance and don't mind giving up some drivability,etc... I think many of the Vette owners want their cars to be faster, but still want a plush ride with no drivability issues.

One other thing look at John's resume. There is probably no one on earth who know more about getting power out of a small block Cevrolet than John and his crew. He was the first guy in the 6's in a SBC power dragster. Just keep in mind the guys at LPE know how to make power....

Just my $.02

<small>[ December 11, 2002, 09:36 AM: Message edited by: J-Rod ]</small>

stealth

Ed Potter,
The majority is clearly on your and LPE's side here. As a business owner, my advice is that you abandon this thread, and realize that no sponsor or shop will receive universally favorable reviews from each and every LS1/LT1 owner. Your time is better spent on LPE's business and customers. Hope John is getting better.

Ed Potter @ LPE

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Stealth - I really appreciate the advice, but as you can see, I haven't posted to this thread since early on. Also, FYI, I was put in place specifically to moniter the forums, and give technical advice, and to try and promote LPE products, so, actually I'm spending my time exactly the way I am supposed to. Once again, thank you for the advice, and I will use it in future situations.

Ed

Nine Ball

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Alonzo, give it a rest. The personal attacks are not welcome. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="gr_images/icons/mad.gif" />

Lingenfelter is a very established tuner, and by looking at the breakdown of pricing above, I'd say that their pricing is also competitive with the other popular tuners. Those of you that do not value a warranty are truly missing out. I've saved a ton of money in the longrun by having an engine warranty. As much as we abuse our cars, a warranty is a VERY nice addition.

I also know that Ed is looking for some more hardcore drag racers to represent LPE products at the track. The majority of their customers prefer the proven, reliable, daily-drivable, emission-passing setups. I think once LPE has some more all-out racing F-body guys showing results that you will all be pleased with the results. They have a daily-drivable C5 running 8s, and I've seen this car run in person. Its unreal.

Another thing to consider is that LPE is a large company and will have a higher overhead than some smaller shops. Overhead costs are always passed on to the customer. More employees, more shop space, etc... Imagine comparing "Billy-Bob's Shadetree Performance" and his monthly bills/salaries to that of LPE. The only reason large shops like LPE have grown so huge is by providing customers what they want, and increasing the size to handle the capacity (demand). If people are paying the prices any shop is asking, then they are doing so because they are getting what they want.

This thread has lived long enough.

-Tony