View Poll Results: To Mill or not to Mill?
Swap cam only, leave heads/gaskets alone
2
11.11%
Swap cam, run thinner gasket, leave heads alone
6
33.33%
Swap cam, mill heads, run stock gasket
5
27.78%
Swap cam, mill heads, run thinner gasket
3
16.67%
Leave the set up alone/other ideas?
2
11.11%
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To MILL or not to MILL, that is the question...
pred gave me some good advice...and it actually is the most cost effective...
Keep the MS3, since I like the power (driveability should improve with more tuning) and add 4 degrees of timing....to up the torque, bring the power band down a bit, and lose a lil top ebnd (nothing a lil shot can't replace
)
Too bad I have NO knowledge of degreeing cams
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Keep the MS3, since I like the power (driveability should improve with more tuning) and add 4 degrees of timing....to up the torque, bring the power band down a bit, and lose a lil top ebnd (nothing a lil shot can't replace
)Too bad I have NO knowledge of degreeing cams
E
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Originally Posted by erikthegoalie
pred gave me some good advice...and it actually is the most cost effective...
Keep the MS3, since I like the power (driveability should improve with more tuning) and add 4 degrees of timing....to up the torque, bring the power band down a bit, and lose a lil top ebnd (nothing a lil shot can't replace )
Too bad I have NO knowledge of degreeing cams
E
Keep the MS3, since I like the power (driveability should improve with more tuning) and add 4 degrees of timing....to up the torque, bring the power band down a bit, and lose a lil top ebnd (nothing a lil shot can't replace
)Too bad I have NO knowledge of degreeing cams
E
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Originally Posted by erikthegoalie
pred gave me some good advice...and it actually is the most cost effective...
Keep the MS3, since I like the power (driveability should improve with more tuning) and add 4 degrees of timing....to up the torque, bring the power band down a bit, and lose a lil top ebnd (nothing a lil shot can't replace )
Too bad I have NO knowledge of degreeing cams
E
Keep the MS3, since I like the power (driveability should improve with more tuning) and add 4 degrees of timing....to up the torque, bring the power band down a bit, and lose a lil top ebnd (nothing a lil shot can't replace
)Too bad I have NO knowledge of degreeing cams
E
Oh well... You do not need to know how to degree your camshaft just to advance it. Just get a timing set with multiple key ways and follow the directions carefully. If your cam is truly ground with no advance then advancing it 4-6 degrees will affectively add about .3-.5 to your DCR. I would recommend calling TSP though to make sure it is not already ground with some advance. TECH Resident
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Just a jab at you for giving kudos to Pred when I suggested that to you in multiple threads (I realize he may have suggested it as well in a PM to you). I did suggest that you run it by him or Pat though to see how advancing it 4-6 degrees would affect your valve events. I actually tried to call TSP yesterday to find out how likely it was that your cam was ground with some advance already in it and too see if they knew how much, but they were closed for lunch. Just playing with the numbers using Pianoprodigy's DCR calculator, it looks like your DCR is around 7.78 as is, if this cam has no advance ground in it and would increase to like 8.23 or so just by advancing it 6 degrees giving you an ICL of 107 deg. Of course if you went with 4 deg advance, .040 gaskets, .030 mill and flycut, your MS3 with an ICL of 109 would give you about 8.77 DCR. Again this is all based on the numbers in the calculator and is just an estimate.
Last edited by BOWTIE; May 22, 2007 at 07:43 PM. Reason: typo
Originally Posted by BOWTIE
Just a jab at you for giving kudos to Pred when I suggested that to you in multiple threads (I realize he may have suggested it as well in a PM to you). I did suggest that you run it by him or Pat though to see how advancing it 4-6 degrees would affect your valve events. I actually tried to call TSP yesterday to find out how likely it was that your cam was ground with some advance already in it and too see if they knew how much, but they were closed for lunch. Just playing with the numbers using Pianoprodigy's DCR calculator, it looks like your DCR is around 7.78 as is, if this cam has no advance ground in it and would increase to like 8.23 or so just by advancing it 6 degrees giving you an ICL of 107 deg. Of course if you went with 4 deg advance, .040 gaskets, .030 mill and flycut, your MS3 with an ICL of 109 would give you about 8.77 DCR. Again this is all based on the numbers in the calculator and is just an estimate.
i got nothing but love for ya man lol...
MY DCR BLOWS, you are not the first to tell me that, I think it needs to be changed...I need to get it up to 8.5....
I think I may try a cam swap first since it is the easiest...
I wish I knew how to work that Piano Prodigy calc....but I dont
Originally Posted by erikthegoalie
i got nothing but love for ya man lol...
MY DCR BLOWS, you are not the first to tell me that, I think it needs to be changed...I need to get it up to 8.5....
I think I may try a cam swap first since it is the easiest...
I wish I knew how to work that Piano Prodigy calc....but I dont
MY DCR BLOWS, you are not the first to tell me that, I think it needs to be changed...I need to get it up to 8.5....
I think I may try a cam swap first since it is the easiest...
I wish I knew how to work that Piano Prodigy calc....but I dont
I don't know if LT1's can run higher than LT1's though. Do you want to gain lowend, or gain lowend and have less cam surge? You're getting people in here telling you to go with even a bigger cam which will kill your driveability even more. LS1 Tech Stories
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From: AUSTIN TX
Originally Posted by erikthegoalie
I think I may try a cam swap first since it is the easiest...
I wish I knew how to work that Piano Prodigy calc....but I dont
I wish I knew how to work that Piano Prodigy calc....but I dont