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Old 05-30-2007, 06:05 AM
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Originally Posted by LS1rulz
Either way, his cam isn't performing as he had hoped. And heads won't fix a cam that isn't doing what he wants.
He's comparing his car to a car that is more heavily modified with higher flowing heads and a higher compression ratio...a bigger cam will not make up for that. Going bigger on the cam without upping the compression will make the car even softer down low...according to the first post, drivability is a concern.
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Bud, try to read the whole thread. Even the original poster says I know what he's wanting because we talked in person. So try to focus on helping him instead of arguing. Mmmmkay?
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SRP in Blue Ash Ohio makes a custom cam they call the "400 Cam". It's 224/228 with .591 Lift both intake and exhaust. It sounds unbelievable and pulls like a pulls like a bitch to well over 120MPH. In my car the power comes out at around 2000 RPM's and its there well into 6 grand. It's large but still very good for a daily driver. I'm not sure about the price of it cause it was in my car when I bought it. If your interested send me a PM and I can give you there number.
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I've heard very good things about the g5x3. I would suggest that or MS4 to get the most power without new heads.
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Originally Posted by LS1rulz
Bud, try to read the whole thread. Even the original poster says I know what he's wanting because we talked in person. So try to focus on helping him instead of arguing. Mmmmkay?
Then by all means, continue misleading the original poster. A bigger cam will in no way improve drivability, which was mentioned in the original post. He wants to gain up top without sacrificing down low...that's just not how cams work.
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Dude, understand. The cam he has is a turd. Plain and simple, it sucks. Just about anything will be an improvement. And yes, with it having no ***** anyway, adding a proven cam that's slightly bigger but with more advance ground in will certainly keep it drivable and add power throughout the powerband. So drop the holier-than-thou attitude. There's enough wannabe know-it-alls on here. You don't have to be another one. Just act like a decent human being, okay?
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Originally Posted by MeentSS02
Then by all means, continue misleading the original poster. A bigger cam will in no way improve drivability, which was mentioned in the original post. He wants to gain up top without sacrificing down low...that's just not how cams work.
sorry to burst your bubble but his car drives better than mine does. Plus if you would read all of my first post it says that his car drove better than mine does and was much much stronger on top end!

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Originally Posted by LS1rulz
Dude, understand. The cam he has is a turd. Plain and simple, it sucks. Just about anything will be an improvement. And yes, with it having no ***** anyway, adding a proven cam that's slightly bigger but with more advance ground in will certainly keep it drivable and add power throughout the powerband. So drop the holier-than-thou attitude. There's enough wannabe know-it-alls on here. You don't have to be another one. Just act like a decent human being, okay?
Hey my cams not a turd! its just a little behind the rest, and yes it does ride the short bus lol! Don't worry bud I'm not going to be misleaded by these people I just want to hear what they have to say, and that way I can do days of research like I have been since I drove your car. So far your winning!
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What about Patrick G's cam the Donkey Dick cam? Would I have any problems running it in my car? I mean the car is just a toy anymore, but would I run in to more problems trying to run this cam then I would the G5X3? My biggest thing is I don't want to have to spend a bunch more to run this big lift cam.
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Why not just go with your buddies setup? You seem to like it awful well. If were misleading you, then why are you still posting on this thread? The only thing that most of us know is what you've posted in this thread. We've not talked to you in person. You'd get more help if you did'nt argue with people that make suggestions. Does'nt mean that you have to do what they say; but maybe someone will suggest something of interest to you. Good luck with your came swap!
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Originally Posted by RZRSEDGE
Why not just go with your buddies setup? You seem to like it awful well. If were misleading you, then why are you still posting on this thread? The only thing that most of us know is what you've posted in this thread. We've not talked to you in person. You'd get more help if you did'nt argue with people that make suggestions. Does'nt mean that you have to do what they say; but maybe someone will suggest something of interest to you. Good luck with your came swap!
I'm not arguing I just want to hear what everybody has to say so I can research there opinion on what cam I should get. So far no other cam has came close! I have read many post by many people and they all say the same thing about the G5X3 cam. Thats why I want to hear what other company's have out there, and if I didn't ask everybody I wouldn't know what they have to offer now would I? So why post and argue with me?
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Not arguing with you; but you seem to be arguing with everyone else. Just keep an open mind on what people are trying to tell you. Good luck with your swap.
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Originally Posted by Summit2345
sorry to burst your bubble but his car drives better than mine does. Plus if you would read all of my first post it says that his car drove better than mine does and was much much stronger on top end!
The fact that his car drives better than yours has very little to do with your buddies cam. Take a longer look at his mods:

He has ported heads: +40 rwhp
He has 1 point higher in compression: +15-20 rwtq (torque down low)
He has 4.10 gears: That's 20% more torque multiplication

Add those items to the cam you have and your car will feel very zippy and torquey. Add your buddy's cam to your car with your mods and it's going to only be a small improvement.
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Originally Posted by Patrick G
The fact that his car drives better than yours has very little to do with your buddies cam. Take a longer look at his mods:

He has ported heads: +40 rwhp
He has 1 point higher in compression: +15-20 rwtq (torque down low)
He has 4.10 gears: That's 20% more torque multiplication

Add those items to the cam you have and your car will feel very zippy and torquey. Add your buddy's cam to your car with your mods and it's going to only be a small improvement.
Thats what i was thinking, he has better flowing heads so thats helping him pull up top alot better and with the big cam and those heads they are working together as a team.. His car is setup better than yours thats why its running better and pulling harder..

Get you a nice set of good flowing heads, fly cut if its needed and then get a good tune, and i think you will see a big difference with that.
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Dude, stop arguing with the people that are telling you what you need to know. You CAN NOT compare his cam to yours when he has better heads/higher compression/gears. Or course his car drives better than yours, it's complete and yours isn't. Change the heads and gears and you will be right up there with him. If you put in a bigger cam without upgrading everything else like he has, you will be ever farther away from what you are looking for than you already are. You WILL lose drivability if you get a bigger cam, period. His car drives better becaue he has more mods done, not because of his cam.
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Agreed!
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Our cars are identical other than Heads, and the cam. I have been wanting heads since I got the cam, but now that I see that his car drives better than mine and has a bigger cam why not see what else is out there. Everybody says the same thing about the G5X3 cam.
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Ported heads with higher compression like your buddy's will make the G5X3 seem tamer and snappier than it would be with stock compression. Trust me when I tell you that it's not just the cam. You will be amazed as to how much difference a raise in dynamic compression will improve how a car drives. Granted, the X3 has 4 degrees of advance vs. your T2 at +2, but in reality, the intake valve closing points between your cam and his is not that big and your cam has lots less overlap. Less overlap is going to drive nicer all things being equal.

But since all things are not equal, you need to give your buddy props for having some badass heads!
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Originally Posted by Patrick G
The fact that his car drives better than yours has very little to do with your buddies cam. Take a longer look at his mods:

He has ported heads: +40 rwhp
He has 1 point higher in compression: +15-20 rwtq (torque down low)
He has 4.10 gears: That's 20% more torque multiplication

Add those items to the cam you have and your car will feel very zippy and torquey. Add your buddy's cam to your car with your mods and it's going to only be a small improvement.
Thank you, Patrick for finally pointing out the RIGHT things about the situation!! It amazes me how people tend to "gloss-over" ported heads, compression, and gears and wonder why their car isn't as fast over drive as nice. You can't just throw a cam at it and expect results. Geez!!
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Originally Posted by Summit2345
Our cars are identical other than Heads, and the cam. I have been wanting heads since I got the cam, but now that I see that his car drives better than mine and has a bigger cam why not see what else is out there. Everybody says the same thing about the G5X3 cam.
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What kind of heads does your buddy have?? Also what about any weight reduction or anything like that?? Has he done alot of WR and you are still full weight? Bc that can make a car faster also.



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