oh my GOD another cam selection thread!!!
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oh my GOD another cam selection thread!!! mine is a little different than most tho 
car is a track only drift car (think road racing). i do NOT want to flycut.
engine is a 00 ls1 w/ls6 mani. i basically live at WOT and in the 4000+ rpm range so "power under the curve" is also important to me rather than just peak. my goal would be 400whp on an aggressive tune but 375ish on a solid, reliable tune. the flatter my powerband the better. i dont need 500whp to do what i do. ****, 400 is overkill.
oh yea, i want a great aggressive choppy idle too. its a nissan with a chevy v8 so it should sound like a racecar
im thinking the torquer V2 or the MS3 should get me there no problem.
opinions? suggestions?
thanks
car is a track only drift car (think road racing). i do NOT want to flycut. engine is a 00 ls1 w/ls6 mani. i basically live at WOT and in the 4000+ rpm range so "power under the curve" is also important to me rather than just peak. my goal would be 400whp on an aggressive tune but 375ish on a solid, reliable tune. the flatter my powerband the better. i dont need 500whp to do what i do. ****, 400 is overkill.
oh yea, i want a great aggressive choppy idle too. its a nissan with a chevy v8 so it should sound like a racecar
im thinking the torquer V2 or the MS3 should get me there no problem.
opinions? suggestions?
thanks
I am in the same boat as you. I will most likely be going magic stick 3. You may also want to check out the torquer v3 or the xs 233/239 (from Texas Speed also). Here are some specs all nice and sorted:
- Texas Speed Torquer v2 - 232/234 - .595/.598 - 112 LSA
- Texas Speed Torquer v3 - 231/234 - .643"/.598" - 112 LSA
- Texas Speed XS Series - 233/239 - .595"/.603" - 112 LSA
- Texas Speed Magic Stick v3 - 237/242 - .603/.609" - 112 LSA
Check out this thread here:
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7235926
I am also considering the stage 2.5 5.3L heads because they can be had for only $1200 and will put you at about 450+ hp/tq at the rear wheels
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- Texas Speed Torquer v2 - 232/234 - .595/.598 - 112 LSA
- Texas Speed Torquer v3 - 231/234 - .643"/.598" - 112 LSA
- Texas Speed XS Series - 233/239 - .595"/.603" - 112 LSA
- Texas Speed Magic Stick v3 - 237/242 - .603/.609" - 112 LSA
Check out this thread here:
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7235926
I am also considering the stage 2.5 5.3L heads because they can be had for only $1200 and will put you at about 450+ hp/tq at the rear wheels
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Im gonna call TS sometime in the next couple weeks as soon as im ready to order the cam and see what they have to say, but i dont think i need heads for the relatively "low" power goals i have. 500whp in my car is pointless. **** a 400whp high strung 4cyl is pointless in the car for what i do, now im gonna have a WAY better powerband and torque on demand? **** lol i appreciate the opinions tho
No disrespect to the MS3, but it's a high rpm cam, not a mid-range, area under the curve cam. Think smaller duration and narrower LSA for this. Low 230s or high 220s for duration around 110 or 111 LSA with about 4 degrees of advance ground in. You need big mid-range torque for the drifting.
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ok so going off your new information, how about these
texas speed 228R - 228/228 .588/.588 112lsa (off the shelf, im sure i can have a custom grind down to 110)
Texas speed torquer v2 - 232/234 .595/.598 112lsa
Thunder Racing TR230/224-11 - 230/224 .575/.563 111 LSA
all of those should be more of a midrange cam, but still make peak power. just have a flat powerband. also near 400whp with bolt ons, correct?
texas speed 228R - 228/228 .588/.588 112lsa (off the shelf, im sure i can have a custom grind down to 110)
Texas speed torquer v2 - 232/234 .595/.598 112lsa
Thunder Racing TR230/224-11 - 230/224 .575/.563 111 LSA
all of those should be more of a midrange cam, but still make peak power. just have a flat powerband. also near 400whp with bolt ons, correct?
Originally Posted by Kamin
see thats an awesome answer, exactly what i was looking for! thank you!
Originally Posted by Kamin
ok so going off your new information, how about these
texas speed 228R - 228/228 .588/.588 112lsa (off the shelf, im sure i can have a custom grind down to 110)
Texas speed torquer v2 - 232/234 .595/.598 112lsa
Thunder Racing TR230/224-11 - 230/224 .575/.563 111 LSA
all of those should be more of a midrange cam, but still make peak power. just have a flat powerband. also near 400whp with bolt ons, correct?
texas speed 228R - 228/228 .588/.588 112lsa (off the shelf, im sure i can have a custom grind down to 110)
Texas speed torquer v2 - 232/234 .595/.598 112lsa
Thunder Racing TR230/224-11 - 230/224 .575/.563 111 LSA
all of those should be more of a midrange cam, but still make peak power. just have a flat powerband. also near 400whp with bolt ons, correct?
Originally Posted by Patrick G
No disrespect to the MS3, but it's a high rpm cam, not a mid-range, area under the curve cam. Think smaller duration and narrower LSA for this. Low 230s or high 220s for duration around 110 or 111 LSA with about 4 degrees of advance ground in. You need big mid-range torque for the drifting.
I agree on the lower cams. What intake do you have? I keep thinking you'd be great with durations around 232/228 or something like that.
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having a virturally UNLIMITED selection of cams is totally foreign to me. my last engine, i basically has 5 choices on cams. thats it. so having hundreds is overwhelming lol. also, midrange usually sacrificed peak power so a flat powerband doesnt exist either haha.
intake or intake manifold? intake is gonna be a 90 degree elbow to 3.5" tube, about 2 feet long to open element filter AEM dry flow 9" long filter. using an ls6 intake manifold.
intake or intake manifold? intake is gonna be a 90 degree elbow to 3.5" tube, about 2 feet long to open element filter AEM dry flow 9" long filter. using an ls6 intake manifold.
Pat G or Predator will not steer you wrong, I'd have something custom ground for your application if I were you... the cam I have has nice under curve mid range. I have the sheet somewhere on my fquick page if you look, I also posted a thread here somewhere. Good luck.
-J
-J
Originally Posted by PREDATOR-Z
224/224 .609/.600 111+4 (Comp Cam custom grind)
That one will do the trick
That one will do the trick
I likey.... -no need for amonster cam in something like what you are doing.
Originally Posted by silver-mod-o
I likey.... -no need for amonster cam in something like what you are doing.
That is DAMN close to what I have in my car, and I absolutely love it... and my car is a fat pig compared to what car your cam is going in 
-J
I have a 224/227 custom grind in my #4500 truck and it runs GREAT.... I think a high lift 224 /224 would actually be better for me though.... I got the split duration for the bottle.
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i think for drift and track racing u need somthin that keep ur power always in the mid to high and good accelerate from low rpms specially when shifting or around tight corners u can consider reverse split cams as a good choise and remember BIGGER doesnt mean BETTER.
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Originally Posted by lastcall190
Pat G or Predator will not steer you wrong, I'd have something custom ground for your application if I were you... the cam I have has nice under curve mid range. I have the sheet somewhere on my fquick page if you look, I also posted a thread here somewhere. Good luck.
-J
-J
thats damn perfect for what im looking for.