450+ Hp Head and Cam Package
07-16-2007, 05:44 PM
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First of all. I believe this original post belongs in the Internal Gen III Section.
And all who doubt his plan.. Search for "Recipe for 500whp" by patrick G. His bolt on, Head/Cam 00' TA 346 makes 508rwhp. It seems like some of you guys need to sit a read a bit more. There's a lot more to H/C packages than you may think. It's not just throwing the best parts on the market together with the biggest cam available. Sure you might end up with a dyno queen. But I'd rather be focused on how well my car drives and 1/4 times. I'd love to hit the 400whp mark. But I'd also like to have bigger arms...But reguardless of how big they get, I bet Jacki Chan could still beat me up. (catch my drift?)
Rick M.
And all who doubt his plan.. Search for "Recipe for 500whp" by patrick G. His bolt on, Head/Cam 00' TA 346 makes 508rwhp. It seems like some of you guys need to sit a read a bit more. There's a lot more to H/C packages than you may think. It's not just throwing the best parts on the market together with the biggest cam available. Sure you might end up with a dyno queen. But I'd rather be focused on how well my car drives and 1/4 times. I'd love to hit the 400whp mark. But I'd also like to have bigger arms...But reguardless of how big they get, I bet Jacki Chan could still beat me up. (catch my drift?)
Rick M.
07-16-2007, 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Jrp1978
So What Is Drc And All That Stuff About . I Am So Lost When I Read You Post On How All That Matters .
If I Go Higher Compression Wont That Make Me Spark Knock Like Hell?
If I Go Higher Compression Wont That Make Me Spark Knock Like Hell?
07-16-2007, 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Camaro Rick
First of all. I believe this original post belongs in the Internal Gen III Section.
And all who doubt his plan.. Search for "Recipe for 500whp" by patrick G. His bolt on, Head/Cam 00' TA 346 makes 508rwhp. It seems like some of you guys need to sit a read a bit more. There's a lot more to H/C packages than you may think. It's not just throwing the best parts on the market together with the biggest cam available. Sure you might end up with a dyno queen. But I'd rather be focused on how well my car drives and 1/4 times. I'd love to hit the 400whp mark. But I'd also like to have bigger arms...But reguardless of how big they get, I bet Jacki Chan could still beat me up. (catch my drift?)
Rick M.
And all who doubt his plan.. Search for "Recipe for 500whp" by patrick G. His bolt on, Head/Cam 00' TA 346 makes 508rwhp. It seems like some of you guys need to sit a read a bit more. There's a lot more to H/C packages than you may think. It's not just throwing the best parts on the market together with the biggest cam available. Sure you might end up with a dyno queen. But I'd rather be focused on how well my car drives and 1/4 times. I'd love to hit the 400whp mark. But I'd also like to have bigger arms...But reguardless of how big they get, I bet Jacki Chan could still beat me up. (catch my drift?)
Rick M.
07-16-2007, 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by jimmypop13
milled 5.3l heads, big cam(such as MS3), .040 head gaskets, yellaterra ultralite rockers, correct length pushrods, LS7 lifters, & a ported FAST90/90 got me over 450rwhp. You'll def wanna look at upgrading your injectors and fuel pump too with that kind of power.
07-16-2007, 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Jrp1978
I understand where i should have posted it . It was just a mistake? I got ton of replys and you are the only one that is having a fit about it?
I dont want to just slap something on and as far as reading the threads. I have read most of them . I just like to hear others thoughts on the whole topic and see what they are running . As far as a budget build,,,,,, money really isnt a issue , but why buy nike's when the bargin brand is just as good. This is a damn chatroom / message board . What would be the point of not asking . I have talk to patrick and he has told me his thoughts. I just wanted to see i few more opinions. Sorry if I offended you posting this here . I understand the energy it took you to bring that up and I hope that made you feel so much better about your day. I value alot of opinions on this board , but when someone has nothing better to go then give me **** instead of advice it pisses me off. My whole point is to make sure i do it right. So your thoughts where considers .....pissed on ......... on know where are on the topic at hand the best heads for a tr224 cam and looking to hit 420 to 440 hp.
I dont want to just slap something on and as far as reading the threads. I have read most of them . I just like to hear others thoughts on the whole topic and see what they are running . As far as a budget build,,,,,, money really isnt a issue , but why buy nike's when the bargin brand is just as good. This is a damn chatroom / message board . What would be the point of not asking . I have talk to patrick and he has told me his thoughts. I just wanted to see i few more opinions. Sorry if I offended you posting this here . I understand the energy it took you to bring that up and I hope that made you feel so much better about your day. I value alot of opinions on this board , but when someone has nothing better to go then give me **** instead of advice it pisses me off. My whole point is to make sure i do it right. So your thoughts where considers .....pissed on ......... on know where are on the topic at hand the best heads for a tr224 cam and looking to hit 420 to 440 hp.
As for the best heads, some milled AFR 205s will work great, as will TrickFlow heads & you could mill those too since your going with a smaller cam. Get some thin gaskets like Cometic .040 or felpro .041. Make sure you get some good rockers & a ported oil pump too to protect your investment. Milling may be a bad idea if you don't wanna flycut your pistons. You'd have to talk to a shop to see how much your could take off the heads before you run into PTV problems.
If you want some great nice flowing heads at a budget price, TSP 5.3l stage 2.5 heads are the way to go.
And to take maximum advantage of airflow with the new heads, a ported FAST90 would be a great investment too. I know Tony Mamo from AFR and Vengeance racing do great port work on those intakes.
07-19-2007, 12:44 AM
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I accept your apology. But whoa.
The intention of my post was to defend you and offer a bit of advice to the people who kinda shot down your original post. I'm no where near omniscient, but saw some holes on the head/cam debate which could be very crucial when building a high output motor. Also, the only reason I mention things like the placement of threads is for the benefit of the original post. If you post things in the correct place, you will potentially get better coverage and opinions on your question. So. I apologize for ...heating things up. Continue and best of luck with your LS1.
The intention of my post was to defend you and offer a bit of advice to the people who kinda shot down your original post. I'm no where near omniscient, but saw some holes on the head/cam debate which could be very crucial when building a high output motor. Also, the only reason I mention things like the placement of threads is for the benefit of the original post. If you post things in the correct place, you will potentially get better coverage and opinions on your question. So. I apologize for ...heating things up. Continue and best of luck with your LS1.
07-19-2007, 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by vaticano
not to hijack dudes thread but read my sig i have high compression 11.4:1 mild cam 112 224 576 581 full bolt ons headers exhaust fast 90/94 i only dynoed 383 hp 385 tq so what am i doing wrong i always thought it should be more but thats what i got from my old tuner.
07-19-2007, 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by vaticano
not to hijack dudes thread but read my sig i have high compression 11.4:1 mild cam 112 224 576 581 full bolt ons headers exhaust fast 90/94 i only dynoed 383 hp 385 tq so what am i doing wrong i always thought it should be more but thats what i got from my old tuner.
07-19-2007, 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by vaticano
not to hijack dudes thread but read my sig i have high compression 11.4:1 mild cam 112 224 576 581 full bolt ons headers exhaust fast 90/94 i only dynoed 383 hp 385 tq so what am i doing wrong i always thought it should be more but thats what i got from my old tuner.
224/226 113lsa
jet hot header and ORY
magnaflow catback
SLP lid
stock LS6 heads
stock ls6 intake mani and TB(non ported)
and i dynoed 381/373 on a really rich tune.
07-19-2007, 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Jrp1978
I have a tr224 cam in the car now.
The dyno Numbers where 370 hp 366 trq .
SLP LID
PACESETTER LONG TUBES WITH ORY
DYNO TUNED BY FC CUSTOMS
4.10 GEAR
ASP UNDERSRIVE PULLY
ITS HAS THE LS6 INTAKE AND THE THROTTLE BODY HAS BE PORTED.
.8078 REACTION TIME
1.852 60 FT
5.2611 330 FT
7.5452 594 FT
8.0520 1/8 ET
89.75 MPH
I JUST WANT THAT DAMN SEVEN SECOND MARK.
I JUST PUT CAM AND SPRINGS AND 7.425 PUSHRODS HARDEN IN . NOW I HAVE A TICK COMING FROM UNDER THE INTAKE , BUT IT BEEN THERE AND DOESNT EFFECT THE CARS STILL RUNS HARD AND PULL GREAT. I JUST THINK MAYBE ITS TIME TO CHANGE LIFTERS , BUT IF I GO THAT FAR I WANT HEADS . SO I GUESS WHAT IS A GOOD HEAD AND PUSHROD AND LIFTER TO STICK IN THERE AND WHAT KINDA OF GAIN COULD I SEE FROM THIS . WOULD IT GET ME IN THE 7 ON MY STREET TIRES?
The dyno Numbers where 370 hp 366 trq .
SLP LID
PACESETTER LONG TUBES WITH ORY
DYNO TUNED BY FC CUSTOMS
4.10 GEAR
ASP UNDERSRIVE PULLY
ITS HAS THE LS6 INTAKE AND THE THROTTLE BODY HAS BE PORTED.
.8078 REACTION TIME
1.852 60 FT
5.2611 330 FT
7.5452 594 FT
8.0520 1/8 ET
89.75 MPH
I JUST WANT THAT DAMN SEVEN SECOND MARK.
I JUST PUT CAM AND SPRINGS AND 7.425 PUSHRODS HARDEN IN . NOW I HAVE A TICK COMING FROM UNDER THE INTAKE , BUT IT BEEN THERE AND DOESNT EFFECT THE CARS STILL RUNS HARD AND PULL GREAT. I JUST THINK MAYBE ITS TIME TO CHANGE LIFTERS , BUT IF I GO THAT FAR I WANT HEADS . SO I GUESS WHAT IS A GOOD HEAD AND PUSHROD AND LIFTER TO STICK IN THERE AND WHAT KINDA OF GAIN COULD I SEE FROM THIS . WOULD IT GET ME IN THE 7 ON MY STREET TIRES?
Just Nittos and LT ORY SLP LM and SLP lid I ran 1.89 60', 8.07 @ 89.25mph...
Now Im running 8.1 @ low 88mph or high 87mph and I have moser 12 bolt 3.73s, aluminum FW, raod race suspension
and Im even doing a good 60' all in the 1.8s... IDK maybe I need a tune. Oh and I have a dented header which is robbing me of HP
07-19-2007, 08:45 PM
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I took me awhile to decide on my H/C set-up. I spent a lot of time looking at various posts on the subject, PM'd a few forum members and spoke with Tony Mamo (AFR) and Lou, Louis and Bobby at LG.
I ended up going with AFR 205 (59) heads, 30lb SVO injectors, UD pulley and a LG G5X2 cam. I already had LG Pro longtubes, vara-ram, borla stingers. My buddy tuned the car and it runs great. I was really worried about driveability but the tune took car of that issue. The car is a beast at WOT and drives like stock around town.
At this point, I am waiting for my drag radials to come in and some "good" weather then it is off to the track.
Here is a copy of my dyno sheet. We logged the A/F ratio on my HP Tuners software and it was in the 12.9 area at WOT during the dyno pulls. Needless to say, I am very happy with the results!
John
I ended up going with AFR 205 (59) heads, 30lb SVO injectors, UD pulley and a LG G5X2 cam. I already had LG Pro longtubes, vara-ram, borla stingers. My buddy tuned the car and it runs great. I was really worried about driveability but the tune took car of that issue. The car is a beast at WOT and drives like stock around town.
At this point, I am waiting for my drag radials to come in and some "good" weather then it is off to the track.
Here is a copy of my dyno sheet. We logged the A/F ratio on my HP Tuners software and it was in the 12.9 area at WOT during the dyno pulls. Needless to say, I am very happy with the results!
John
07-19-2007, 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Redlinez
You'll "lose" a few rwhp with bigger rear gears but the trade off is well worth it.
07-28-2007, 11:51 PM
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***** damn tr224 why 5.3 heads in detail over ls6 heads i am not understanding this ? i mean they flow better . so why wouldnt you want the ls6 ? My car is a manual to I am not sure why low numbers i have seen several 390 + hp on the cam with less mods then what i have?
I wanting to put a torqer v2 camshaft and a set of ls6 heas stg1.5 with 202 155 valves
How much more hp with that get me compared to my 370 hp and 366 trq with the stock heads and the tr224
I started the tread and i think some where i listed all mods , but if i didnt here the are a again first of all gears , but it was tuned with the 3.42 in it now it has a 410 lid , pully , headers and ory pipe no cats . all free mods
The main reason i am wanting to up power is to get into the 7 in the 1/8 th mile and for some odd reason i have serious lifter noise that is pissing me off hasnt hurt anything just load and horrid sounding.
looking 4 about 450 or little less and its a daily driver if someone is close to that could the send me there complete setup stats pushrods lifters gaskets heads cam and what i may or may not need to get it running again.
I wanting to put a torqer v2 camshaft and a set of ls6 heas stg1.5 with 202 155 valves
How much more hp with that get me compared to my 370 hp and 366 trq with the stock heads and the tr224
I started the tread and i think some where i listed all mods , but if i didnt here the are a again first of all gears , but it was tuned with the 3.42 in it now it has a 410 lid , pully , headers and ory pipe no cats . all free mods
The main reason i am wanting to up power is to get into the 7 in the 1/8 th mile and for some odd reason i have serious lifter noise that is pissing me off hasnt hurt anything just load and horrid sounding.
looking 4 about 450 or little less and its a daily driver if someone is close to that could the send me there complete setup stats pushrods lifters gaskets heads cam and what i may or may not need to get it running again.
07-29-2007, 01:28 AM
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I think 450 rwhp is possible. You need every bolt on under the sun, higher compression and a good flowing head with a good camshaft and preferably have a m6 with 10-bolt (Patrick Gs long post in a nutshell).
Thats the recipe ;-)
Thats the recipe ;-)