JF WS6

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by OSR 1:
<strong> I will Bob
Im sure jay will be very happy with the results running with his great heads. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I've got a set of Jay's LS6 heads, I'd love to give this cam a shot with them too. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

OSR 1

john b
how do you come up with a
correction factor
i just wondering because when dyno jet sent their tech out they told us to keep dyno room temp the same for all pulls and around 70 degrees
so we can compare the data from run to run
maybe you know something that their tech doesnt
but i will be glad to have the custermer bring their car to an other dyno if you would like
i will even have him take the intake and header off so you can see that they are un touched
new england dyno is a sponsor if needed

JS

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No John B is right!!!!
Dynojet has a formula they use in which correction is a perfect scenario.....

First off 0 Hum is IMPOSSIBLE...
U admit to being 70 in the shop (77 is Dynojets formula) U didnt have a 29.32 BARO

I would love to see PROPER uncorrected/corrected SAE # like JOHN B asked for guys.


JS
Cartek S2X Firebird
SAE CORRECTED 430/400
11.14/1.47/122.01 MPH!!!!!
3500lbs -240DA

Fenris Ulf

Posting uncorrected numbers is lame. At least there was no spike <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

DenzSS

I don't normally jump on the BS flag bandwagon, but I have to give this one a <img border="0" alt="[bullshit]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_bs.gif" /> .

No correction factor needed? That is horse$hit.

No one has exactly perfect SAE weather. There is no way in hell you pulled 431RWHP SAE with only a cam. If you did, you're doing a ton of dyno tricks and have a dynojet operator willing to screw with a lot of parameters.

Phil99TA

These guys were calling BS a week ago, on a cam only car making 387rwhp..now they themselves are making 430!! <img border="0" alt="[jester]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_jest.gif" />

my00c5

What are the cam specs? another shop posted theirs.

Is the dyno indoors or outside??

<small>[ February 01, 2003, 01:54 AM: Message edited by: my00c5 ]</small>

DenzSS

Unless they post the cam card, posting specs are not that worthwhile anyway.

Being generous and using a 15% drivetrain loss, that is putting out approx 496 crank horsepower @ 6700rpm.

That is roughly 1.4HP/Cubic Inch.

Considering that a stock LS1 is roughly 1.1HP/Cubic Inch, it is pretty safe to call a big ole' BS.

Especially since I've seen a lot of LS1 dynos at MC Racing. Everything from MTI cars, MC's own cars, Raging Motorsports cars, Thunder Racings cars, etc.

I have NEVER, EVER seen a car dyno that high. Sure, you can make the dynojet spit out that number if you're really dishonest, but who wants that.

SSDude

Will the cam pass emissions? <img border="0" alt="[bomb]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_bomb.gif" />

383ss

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BS flag. hope I'm wrong though.

<small>[ February 01, 2003, 11:10 AM: Message edited by: 383ss ]</small>

Mr. B

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Phil99TAsoon:
<strong> These guys were calling BS a week ago, on a cam only car making 387rwhp..now they themselves are making 430!! <img border="0" alt="[jester]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_jest.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That's not true, Phil.

The disagreement was about MPH/Trap Speeds.

I was skeptical that a B1 dyno'ed 387HP.. you know the rest of the story.

These guys are trustworthy and don't have anything to hide. So stop being like that, Phil.

Mr. B

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by my00c5:
<strong> What are the cam specs? another shop posted theirs.

Is the dyno indoors or outside?? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thier Dyno is indoors.

My question to you is:

Aren't you related to Cartek's owner, Julio?

If I'm mistaken- let me know.

hondakiller

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didnt jason from thunder make 420rwhp with a tr230 cam through a 4.56 12 bolt? these numbers through a stock drivetrain dont seem that unbelievable to me. whats with all the bs calling nowadays? if you cant trust the tuner shops who can you trust? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />

Mr. B

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by hondakiller:
<strong> didnt jason from thunder make 420rwhp with a tr230 cam through a 4.56 12 bolt? these numbers through a stock drivetrain dont seem that unbelievable to me. whats with all the bs calling nowadays? if you cant trust the tuner shops who can you trust? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><img src="http://www.thunderracing.com/images/thunder230_224a.jpg" alt=" - " />

[from Thunder Racing's website, who are also very trustworthy]

This dyno graph is of a 1999 LS1 TransAM with Thunder Racing 230/224, 111 lsa Camshaft with stock cylinder heads. Other mods include Grotyohann Long Tube headers, Whisper Lid, LS6 intake manifold, Thunder Racing ported throttle body, ASP Pulley, 12 bolt rear end w/ 4.30 gears and custom computer tuning. The "before" graph shown are with the same bolt-on modifications. The only things that were changed were the camshaft and the y-pipe was replaced with 6" collector extensions for dyno and track use.

Mike Hoffpauir

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by RAMBIRD2002:
<strong> Most of the sponsor's on this board have brought performance to the next level lately and East Side is the first to do it with a bolt-on and cam package. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Nice uncorrected numbers! <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />

Also, Futral and I were the first to "bring performance to the next level with a bolt-on and cam package" when I ran my 10.98 in December. I wish I was in CT so I could bite off some of that 430 rwhp beast cam vs cam!
<img border="0" alt="[burn out]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_burnout.gif" />

Mr. B

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Mike Hoffpauir:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by RAMBIRD2002:
<strong> Most of the sponsor's on this board have brought performance to the next level lately and East Side is the first to do it with a bolt-on and cam package. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Nice uncorrected numbers! <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />

Also, Futral and I were the first to "bring performance to the next level with a bolt-on and cam package" when I ran my 10.98 in December. I wish I was in CT so I could bite off some of that 430 rwhp beast cam vs cam!
<img border="0" alt="[burn out]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_burnout.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That would be interesting! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

Nice set-up, Mike. Excellent 60' time.

3300 lbs Race Weight
Grotohann Full Lengths
FMS 2.5" Off Road Y-pipe
Borla Catback
Whisper Lid / FRA
ASP Pulley
FMS Ported Throttle Body
LS6 Intake
FMS F4 Cam (Futral Motorsports Custom Grind Camshaft - 226"/226" .575"/.575" 114LSA)
Comp 26918 Springs
Comp Hi-Tech 7.400" Pushrods
Yank PT4400 w/cooler and shift kit
4.10 Gears
ACPT Carbon Fiber Driveshaft
LCA's
LCA Relocation Bracket
FMS Custom Tuning
Weld Pro-Stars 15x3.5 w/Metric Radials 15x8 w/MT ET Drag 26x8.5x15 (275/60 15 Nittos for street)

OSR 1

I must be bad getting tech support from dynojet
but i can say this
I WILL GLADLY TAKE THAT CUSTOMERS CAR TO ANY DYNO JET AROUND AND DYNO IT THEN PULL THE INTAKE OFF SO THEY CAN CHECK OUT THE HEADS.
THESE CAMS ARE REAL AND THE good PART IS EVERY ONE WILL KNOW ABOUT THEM IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS AS THESE POWER LEVELS WILL BE AVERAGE FOR LS1's
as soon as i can get a set of heads on this car i will give cam specs and flow numbers,pricing and hp numbers
P.s. if i check off uncorrected on my dyno it shows 447rwhp
phil our first cam only car we did(chef) made 377
last year so it wasnt power but 119 mph vs 3600lb that i questioned

<small>[ February 01, 2003, 08:24 AM: Message edited by: OSR 1 ]</small>

The Juggernaut

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by 01-Z:
<strong> Um... 431 rwhp cam only?
How many tricks were involved?
Can we make a deal?
If I throw this cam in my car and I make
430rwhp on stock heads I'll pay you DOUBLE
the price of the cam.
If it comes under 420rwhp the cam is free.
Deal?
I'm not trying to be a Dick,but if that kind
of power is to be made on stock heads,it is
worth double to me.
Let me know.
I made 365rwhp through a 12 bolt with 4.10
gears with bolt on's. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">What about a reply?A yes or no will do.
If your cam will give me this kind of power
I will pay DOUBLE.Then your cam will also
be in the quickest 'cam only M6'.
How can you possibly lose?
PS- my runs will also be made with a short belt
because that's the way I race it.
If there is no tricks involved,you should have
no problem accepting my offer.
Let me know.

DenzSS

Guys, you all have to remember that all of our Sponsors here are in the business of SELLING their packages. It is in their best interest to post the highest dyno numbers using whatever tricks are available in their arsenal.

I'm not saying that all sponsors do this, I know some do not. When I see cam only dyno numbers in the 400+rwhp range, my BS-ometer starts ticking. I'm not saying that 400rwhp isn't possible with just a cam and bolt-ons. When it does happen it is an extreme, max effort, high duration cam with basically open headers (like TR's collector extenders), and it is tuned to the ragged edge.

SPANKY LS1

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by John B:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> no correction factor needed our dyno pulls are done at 70 degrees only </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">TIME OUT, flag on the play.....
I highly doubt that the exact atmospheric conditions were with the atmospheric pressure at 29.23 in/hg., the temperature 77°F and the humidity zero. Because there was humidity in the air (no where is humidity zero) and the temp was 7° under the SAE correction factor of 77° you really need to run the corrected SAE numbers and repost both the corrected and uncorrected numbers.....they may be close since the correction factor may also be close to 1.0. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"></font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Yes- I agree.
They are all good people- Trustworthy!

</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">While possibly trustworthy, apparently not very knowledgeable. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> I am not, nor have I ever been a dyno operator or shop owner, but even I know that there will always be a correction factor. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />


</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I have NEVER, EVER seen a car dyno that high. Sure, you can make the dynojet spit out that number if you're really dishonest, but who wants that. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">What better way for a new shop to make a name for itself, especially with the rash of high dyno numbers lately. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />


</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I WILL GLADLY TAKE THAT CUSTOMERS CAR TO ANY DYNO JET AROUND AND DYNO IT THEN PULL THE INTAKE OFF SO THEY CAN CHECK OUT THE HEADS.
THESE CAMS ARE REAL AND THE good PART IS EVERY ONE WILL KNOW ABOUT THEM IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS AS THESE POWER LEVELS WILL BE AVERAGE FOR LS1's
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Nobody's questioning weather or not the heads are stock. If you take it to another dynojet, and use the appropriate correction factor, it would dyno signifigantly less than 431rwhp. What power levels will be average, 431rwhp, or the numbers that will follow? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />