thechef

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LOOK people the 430 was with the cutout open like it says on the graph it also has a run with it closed thru stock WS-6 muffler was 419
just wait till the heads come back and i bet the #s come close to the other 2 shops that just recently made the big power <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
there are no tricks we dont believe in them

there are only few shops doing head/cam research like this and the bar is being raised

<img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

LS1LT1

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by mrb00formula:
<strong>These guys are trustworthy and don't have anything to hide.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I agree, sounds like ESP is doing some impressive R&D with the LS1/LS6, just like some other shops that work on/modify these cars are.


</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by mrb00formula:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by my00c5:
<strong> What are the cam specs? another shop posted theirs.
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">My question to you is:
Aren't you related to Cartek's owner, Julio?
If I'm mistaken- let me know.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yes, you are mistaken. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

Mr. B

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>Originally posted by LS1LT1:
Yes, you are mistaken. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ok then.. I stand corrected- no harm, no foul! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

Phil99TA

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Phil99TAsoon:
<strong> These guys were calling BS a week ago, on a cam only car making 387rwhp..now they themselves are making 430!! <img border="0" alt="[jester]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_jest.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I stand corrected. It was the 118mph trap speeds of a cam only car that was questioned, not the dyno numbers <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

OSR 1

Just got off phone with Dean New England Dyno(sponsor)
I highly recommend their shop as he much smarter then tech who trained us from dyno jet
car will flatbeded to his shop next week and run their.\
after talking with him and checking conditions
we show a correction factor of .97
what that means as far as total hp
418rwhp with this figured
why it is used is beyond me but i will call dyno jet monday for their answers
bottom line
I dont play dyno tricks
and car made 354hp bfore with .97 correction
431 after with .97

NoGo

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If you guys look at the first graph that was posted up, the graph says SAE corrected.

The first dyno graph is SAE corrected.

What kenny was trying to say is that we try to keep the correction skewing to a minimum. By keeping the shop temperature around 70 deg during dynoing the actual to SAE correction isn't that much. This ensures that the correction is a accurate as possible.

And, also as Kenny said, we will gladly take this car to another dyno. It does make 431 SAE HP and we stand behind that, no matter what dyno it is on.

RAMBIRD2002

YEAH, LIKE HE SAID ^^^...... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

The Juggernaut

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Why can't I get an answer?
If this cam does what you claim it does,
I WILL PAY YOU DOUBLE AND ADVERTISE FOR YOU.
What's the problem?

EDIT-I make MORE power than your 'before'dyno
(354rwhp)so I should make MORE than 431.Right?

<small>[ February 01, 2003, 10:53 AM: Message edited by: 01-Z ]</small>

thechef

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01-z
call the shop ask for ken

NoGo

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by 01-Z:
<strong> Why can't I get an answer?
If this cam does what you claim it does,
I WILL PAY YOU DOUBLE AND ADVERTISE FOR YOU.
What's the problem?

EDIT-I make MORE power than your 'before'dyno
(354rwhp)so I should make MORE than 431.Right? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">This is a package, not a cam.

camshafts alone don't make 400+ HP (well, usually)

If you want to buy JUST the camshaft, sure you'll make power, but not like we did. You need an exhaust to complement the cam, and you need the heads to compliment the cam.

We spent the time to ensure that all of the components work well together, and the posted dyno graphs are proof that they work well.
We will be selling this as a package. If you are interested then give us a call.

and YES you will make around this kind of power with our package.

RAMBIRD2002

I think that the majority of the problem here is that everyone want's to be the top dog. When someone get's out done rather than congradulating their competition they bash them instead, It's only human and everyone has a jealous bone in their body some take it more personal than other's. Why can't we all get along and worry about our own problem's instead of putting up the <img border="0" alt="[bullshit]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_bs.gif" /> flag that is pretty lame. Like I said before East Side is doing their homework, plain and simple. Be happy, it might work out for your benefit! <img border="0" alt="[driving]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_driving3.gif" />

Fenris Ulf

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by NoGo:
<strong> If you want to buy JUST the camshaft, sure you'll make power, but not like we did. You need an exhaust to complement the cam, and you need the heads to compliment the cam. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I am sure his exhaust is fine with the power he is making, and I doubt he needs headwork to match the cam if you are doing so well with stock heads just like 01Z has...

NoGo

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Fenris Ulf:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by NoGo:
<strong> If you want to buy JUST the camshaft, sure you'll make power, but not like we did. You need an exhaust to complement the cam, and you need the heads to compliment the cam. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I am sure his exhaust is fine with the power he is making, and I doubt he needs headwork to match the cam if you are doing so well with stock heads just like 01Z has... </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Your statement is the posterchild of why some peoples cars make power and some don't.

"I am sure his exhaust is fine"

Really, so you are positive it will compliment this cams overlap, duration and lift.

"I doubt he needs headwork to match the cam"

So, you don't need to match the heads to the cam? All heads work equally well with the same cam? If he is using stock heads, then yes. If he has modified, 5.3 heads, 6.0 heads, then no it won't work as well.


It is a proper matching of the COMBINATION of components on a car that make the power.

Why do you think LGM motorsports only does their packages in-house?

Why do you think Cartek sell the "X-package". Key word being PACKAGE.

There is no secret squirrel cam that is going to make all the power. There is no secret exhaust, or super heads (other than C5R <img border="0" alt="[worship]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_hail.gif" /> ) that will make all the power on their own. It is a proper combination that the shops are finding that make the power.

This is the NEW SCHOOL of LS1 motorsports technology where we can take these cars to 450+ HP with just engine work. Unfortunately, it is going to take some of the doubters some time to catch up.

<small>[ February 01, 2003, 11:32 AM: Message edited by: NoGo ]</small>

SPANKY LS1

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Sounds like back tracking to me. "Well, your car didn't produce the numbers because your exhaust wasn't as good, or your heads weren't as good" <img border="0" alt="[bullshit]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_bs.gif" /> Sounds like you are preparing for the next car with this cam "package" to magically underachieve. We are not naive, we know that another car will be different, but he dynoes almost 10rwhp higher than your project car did BEFORE the cam, looks like it would be an awesome test for the new cam "package" you came up with. There are only so many boltons, many of us have them all. I would say that the fastest M6 stock internals car around is pretty well maximized, and would be an EXCELLENT candidate for this cam test that he offered. After all, what better way to stop the skepticism that you have encountered?

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> So, you don't need to match the heads to the cam? All heads work equally well with the same cam? If he is using stock heads, then yes. If he has modified, 5.3 heads, 6.0 heads, then no it won't work as well.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">He has stock heads, this is not an issue.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Why do you think LGM motorsports only does their packages in-house?

Why do you think Cartek sell the "X-package". Key word being PACKAGE </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Theas are head and cam packages. A cam is not a "package", it is a single component.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">This is a package, not a cam. camshafts alone don't make 400+ HP (well, usually)
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">What is this "package" you speak of?

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> MODS: Air Lid, Ported MAF, Ported Throttle Body, Smooth Bellow, NGK TR55 Spark Plugs, 12.5 Lb Flywheel, Dyno Tech Headers with custom exhaust, Under Drive pulley, 160* thermostat, ESP 1 Camshaft, LS1 Edit, Spec Stage 3 Carbon Clutch, with a stock rear and 3:42 gears </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> This is the NEW SCHOOL of LS1 motorsports technology where we can take these cars to 450+ HP with just engine work. Unfortunately, it is going to take some of the doubters some time to catch up. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">There is no secret squirrel cam that is going to make all the power.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">

KeithSS

My car will have this cam in it very soon. My car is stock with an air lid. It only has 490 miles on it and we are gonna do the cam BEFORE we put any headers on it so we can really know on a stock car how much this cam pushes out. Mine will prob be the next one done so we will know very shortly. All I know is that this cam definitely makes alot of power and it should give everyone the answers to the questions they are asking. And just for future reference the car dynoed 320hp and 340tq sae last week bone stock w/lid. If anyone has any questions about the cam or anything these guys do don't hesistate to call Ken. He will sit down and answer any questions you have 203-269-1539. These guys are definitely gonna make a name for themselves and soon they will be as well known as alot of other performance shops all around.
<img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />
Keith

<small>[ February 01, 2003, 01:08 PM: Message edited by: KeithWS6 ]</small>

frcefed98

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Great Numbers! Are you guys coming up with an FI cam sometime soon? Keep up the great R&D, the BSing will subside when more of your product gets release on those willing to believe what the LS1 can produce.
I made great power with only bolt ons and a cam <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
Stock untouched heads too, check my sig
These LS1 engines are awesome.
J

SPANKY LS1

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by NoGo:
<strong> I tell you folks not to purchase JUST THE CAM.

I tell you that it is a PACKAGE. If you purchase this package, you will make similar power. If you want to put your own hodge-podge together and then blame all the different companies for why you don't make power, then enjoy sub-par performance for twice the cost <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />

Signing Out,
Kevin </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> MODS: Air Lid, Ported MAF, Ported Throttle Body, Smooth Bellow, NGK TR55 Spark Plugs, 12.5 Lb Flywheel, Dyno Tech Headers with custom exhaust, Under Drive pulley, 160* thermostat, ESP 1 Camshaft, LS1 Edit, Spec Stage 3 Carbon Clutch, with a stock rear and 3:42 gears
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">WHAT PACKAGE? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="gr_images/icons/mad.gif" /> Show me the package in the mods list? So, you're saying that with the mods listed above, I can expect the same results, no?

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> We made all this power with just a cam and a bunch bolt on's. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thie above quote was in your first post. Where does it refer to a package? It refers to a "cam and a bunch of bolt ons"

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> One run was thru the full exhaust and the other was an open y-pipe. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Is this the "custom exhaust" that you refer to, and that lack of this "custom exhaust" will hinder or prevent anyone else from obtaining the same results as you? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

JF WS6

I'm kinda w/ Spanky on this one...

If you're marketing a head/cam setup like LG's or Cartek's, why in the world would you start a thread about what you achieved with just the cam? People are gonna' want to just buy the cam then, because they think that's what you're selling - a cam setup for stock heads.

If that's not what you intended, you should've just waited till you got heads on there and started a thread like Julio's when you had your final results, that would've prevented all the confusion I think.

Fly By

Guys, get off their back for christs sake <img border="0" alt="[barf]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_barf.gif" />

It is a package! I dont care what you say, its a package! Its the proper parts, with the proper tuning. TTS headers may not yeild these results, and Dynatech LTs with an X pipe will shift the curve one way or the other. Maybe you dont have the $ for a pully, but when its a few short, you doubt, and you slam. Enough of this BS. Im pretty sick of it. <img border="0" alt="[shoot]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_guns.gif" />

Point in fact is It made 420 through the Exhaust, and 430 with it open. The #s posted were SAE. It doesnt matter what the conditions are, the WINpep software will get it damn close.

FWIW, BillY2kFRC dynoed his new X package at Eastside, and cartek- 1 hp difference

Here is some food for thought: What would LGs car or Carteks car do without heads <img border="0" alt="[judgement]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_judge.gif" />

JF WS6

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Fly By:
<strong>
Here is some food for thought: What would LGs car or Carteks car do without heads </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Who knows what they'd do w/ out heads. The point is this thread was started with STOCK heads!! There was no talk about ported heads at the start of this thread. I thought it was about the cam + bolt-ons! <img border="0" alt="[judgement]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_judge.gif" />

BTW, most people on here already have a set of long tubes & catback, pulley, thermo, ported TB & lid/filter. I think people are smart enough to realize if they don't have some of the mods that the test car has, they may not have EXACTLY the same results.

<small>[ February 01, 2003, 03:30 PM: Message edited by: JF WS6 ]</small>