View Poll Results: For 408 is this cam 240/244 .608/.596 112+4
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408 guys come in...cam question
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Im running a 408 , 5 disk 3200 stall , 342 gears with a 238/242-605/610 -113+3 .
I had to move my converter lock up points to keep the car from lugging against the converter and that only helped a little .
The only real problem you will have is the 3200 stall is not going to like a 244/248 duration .
A 3600-3800 stall will be needed for that size duration imo .
Its gona lug hard against the converter at 50-55 mph in over drive , 3rd gear locked at 40-45 is gona be bad also for a DD .
If you drive the car every day like i do a 244 is gona suck , that big of a duration will make great power in the 510-525whp range but as a dd you might not like it .
I have to order a new cam monday because one of my lifters was messed up during assembly and im going to stick with the same size and specs i have now .
Great power and right on the edge of drivability .
Also , a 244/248 will bog a little against a 3200 stall off the line because your not going to make power with that cam untill 3600-3800 rpms .
The only reason i get away with a 238/242 and a 3200 stall is because i spray alot which makes my converter flash higher .
I had to move my converter lock up points to keep the car from lugging against the converter and that only helped a little .
The only real problem you will have is the 3200 stall is not going to like a 244/248 duration .
A 3600-3800 stall will be needed for that size duration imo .
Its gona lug hard against the converter at 50-55 mph in over drive , 3rd gear locked at 40-45 is gona be bad also for a DD .
If you drive the car every day like i do a 244 is gona suck , that big of a duration will make great power in the 510-525whp range but as a dd you might not like it .
I have to order a new cam monday because one of my lifters was messed up during assembly and im going to stick with the same size and specs i have now .
Great power and right on the edge of drivability .
Also , a 244/248 will bog a little against a 3200 stall off the line because your not going to make power with that cam untill 3600-3800 rpms .
The only reason i get away with a 238/242 and a 3200 stall is because i spray alot which makes my converter flash higher .
Oh , and i just noticed your weight is 3500 lbs .
244/248 + 3200 stall + 3500 lbs = sucky launch's.
Merv has a 3600 stall , that why his car drives ok with a 243/247
Stick cars can get away with big durations while us auto guys have limits
on our durations for driveability
244/248 + 3200 stall + 3500 lbs = sucky launch's.
Merv has a 3600 stall , that why his car drives ok with a 243/247
Stick cars can get away with big durations while us auto guys have limits
on our durations for driveability
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Im running a 408 , 5 disk 3200 stall , 342 gears with a 238/242-605/610 -113+3 .
I had to move my converter lock up points to keep the car from lugging against the converter and that only helped a little .
The only real problem you will have is the 3200 stall is not going to like a 244/248 duration .
A 3600-3800 stall will be needed for that size duration imo .
Its gona lug hard against the converter at 50-55 mph in over drive , 3rd gear locked at 40-45 is gona be bad also for a DD .
If you drive the car every day like i do a 244 is gona suck , that big of a duration will make great power in the 510-525whp range but as a dd you might not like it .
I have to order a new cam monday because one of my lifters was messed up during assembly and im going to stick with the same size and specs i have now .
Great power and right on the edge of drivability .
Also , a 244/248 will bog a little against a 3200 stall off the line because your not going to make power with that cam untill 3600-3800 rpms .
The only reason i get away with a 238/242 and a 3200 stall is because i spray alot which makes my converter flash higher .
I had to move my converter lock up points to keep the car from lugging against the converter and that only helped a little .
The only real problem you will have is the 3200 stall is not going to like a 244/248 duration .
A 3600-3800 stall will be needed for that size duration imo .
Its gona lug hard against the converter at 50-55 mph in over drive , 3rd gear locked at 40-45 is gona be bad also for a DD .
If you drive the car every day like i do a 244 is gona suck , that big of a duration will make great power in the 510-525whp range but as a dd you might not like it .
I have to order a new cam monday because one of my lifters was messed up during assembly and im going to stick with the same size and specs i have now .
Great power and right on the edge of drivability .
Also , a 244/248 will bog a little against a 3200 stall off the line because your not going to make power with that cam untill 3600-3800 rpms .
The only reason i get away with a 238/242 and a 3200 stall is because i spray alot which makes my converter flash higher .
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Oh , and i just noticed your weight is 3500 lbs .
244/248 + 3200 stall + 3500 lbs = sucky launch's.
Merv has a 3600 stall , that why his car drives ok with a 243/247
Stick cars can get away with big durations while us auto guys have limits
on our durations for driveability
244/248 + 3200 stall + 3500 lbs = sucky launch's.
Merv has a 3600 stall , that why his car drives ok with a 243/247
Stick cars can get away with big durations while us auto guys have limits
on our durations for driveability
Last edited by ExceSSive; Oct 13, 2007 at 10:20 PM.
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408 cubes and still not enough? go bigger because you need to attain some kind of tractability keeping it sorta a tad docile at the lower revs with them cubes and when your ready for buisness
hang on!
i'm out of here!
hang on!
i'm out of here!
Last edited by oz304; Oct 14, 2007 at 12:21 AM.
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vinci 099 cam
DUR @ .004" 294* / 302*
DUR @ .050" 232*/ 240*
LIFT .551/.551
OVERLAP 64*
LSA 117*
haven't dyno'ed it yet. been in the car since march 07.
www.stealthram.com/2000pontiacformula.html
DUR @ .004" 294* / 302*
DUR @ .050" 232*/ 240*
LIFT .551/.551
OVERLAP 64*
LSA 117*
haven't dyno'ed it yet. been in the car since march 07.
www.stealthram.com/2000pontiacformula.html
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From: Gateway International Raceway
vinci 099 cam
DUR @ .004" 294* / 302*
DUR @ .050" 232*/ 240*
LIFT .551/.551
OVERLAP 64*
LSA 117*
haven't dyno'ed it yet. been in the car since march 07.
www.stealthram.com/2000pontiacformula.html
DUR @ .004" 294* / 302*
DUR @ .050" 232*/ 240*
LIFT .551/.551
OVERLAP 64*
LSA 117*
haven't dyno'ed it yet. been in the car since march 07.
www.stealthram.com/2000pontiacformula.html
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From: Gateway International Raceway
So what kind of #'s are you putting down, what stall/gears are you running what is your drivability like...I am 99% sure Erik K. will be building my engine too. I can't wait to get it installed.
With my ported fast 90 setup I pulled 520rwhp and 500trq at the wheels. I have A4, 3200 stall, 12 bolt with 3.73 gears. And the tune and stall is set up for the spray. I get 225rwhp with the 200 shot!! Sold thay intake, got a new one being put on this week ported from someone else. Will see the new numbers next week! I can smoke them from a 50 roll like nothing!! I have a SD tune and she drives like a baby!!
With my ported fast 90 setup I pulled 520rwhp and 500trq at the wheels. I have A4, 3200 stall, 12 bolt with 3.73 gears. And the tune and stall is set up for the spray. I get 225rwhp with the 200 shot!! Sold thay intake, got a new one being put on this week ported from someone else. Will see the new numbers next week! I can smoke them from a 50 roll like nothing!! I have a SD tune and she drives like a baby!!
He is also spraying , that will instantly flash the converter to the 3500-3600rpm range which about right where his cam is starting to make good power .
And Beard , dont let anyone fool you , if your making 225 on 200 shot jets , its because they are 225 shot jets , no matter how they are stamped .
Its the torque that will be super impressive and off the chain with the stroker motor .
Beards 3200 stall make it easier to use around town without being to anoying from light to light . A 3800 stall is going to be anoying in traffic and from light to light type everyday driving .
Excessive , look at the combination and learn from the combinations that others have before spending your hard earned money .
Purpose/Cam/converter/gear are the main things to iron out because if one is off , the rest wont work the way you want or imagine .
So far , your 244/248 with a 3800 is gone rock but with what gear in the 12 bolt ?
Also , with a 244/248 // 3800 stall your gas mileage in the city is gona instantly drop to 12-14 mph going from light to light in traffic if that is any concern .
Do you do a lot of highway miles to and from work ? ,, gota take that into concideration also .
It all make ya go ,, hummmmm
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Beards 373 gears help with that big of a duration because it puts his stall lug at a different point in his cruise speed , but at the same time a 373 gear with the A4 pretty much makes 1st gear useless so to speak .
Excessive , look at the combination and learn from the combinations that others have before spending your hard earned money .
Purpose/Cam/converter/gear are the main things to iron out because if one is off , the rest wont work the way you want or imagine .
So far , your 244/248 with a 3800 is gone rock but with what gear in the 12 bolt ?
Also , with a 244/248 // 3800 stall your gas mileage in the city is gona instantly drop to 12-14 mph going from light to light in traffic if that is any concern .
Do you do a lot of highway miles to and from work ? ,, gota take that into concideration also .
It all make ya go ,, hummmmm
Excessive , look at the combination and learn from the combinations that others have before spending your hard earned money .
Purpose/Cam/converter/gear are the main things to iron out because if one is off , the rest wont work the way you want or imagine .
So far , your 244/248 with a 3800 is gone rock but with what gear in the 12 bolt ?
Also , with a 244/248 // 3800 stall your gas mileage in the city is gona instantly drop to 12-14 mph going from light to light in traffic if that is any concern .
Do you do a lot of highway miles to and from work ? ,, gota take that into concideration also .
It all make ya go ,, hummmmm
Thanks for the info. I was thinking 3800-4000 stall and 3.42 gear 12 bolt...I found a 242/244 610/612 cam on a 113+3 LSA. What do you think of this setup...enough stall/gear or no for that cam? I only drive 1.3 miles to work...all other driving is for pleasure.
Last edited by ExceSSive; Oct 14, 2007 at 08:53 PM.
Do you have any plans of spraying the car or using a power adder in the near future ?
If its strickly N/A a 3600 will put you right on the power band of a 242/244 cam and will launch like a rocket with drag radials but still give you some crusing ability with the 342 .
imo thats setup is gona rock and only driving 1.5 miles to work , traffic is not a concern anyway.
3800-4000 stall on the street is a little to high imo for a dd .
If its strickly N/A a 3600 will put you right on the power band of a 242/244 cam and will launch like a rocket with drag radials but still give you some crusing ability with the 342 .
imo thats setup is gona rock and only driving 1.5 miles to work , traffic is not a concern anyway.
3800-4000 stall on the street is a little to high imo for a dd .
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No spray for me...replacing the stock block due to piston grenade...why do all the work to go back to stock CI? So I decided to go bigger, bigger cubes, cam, TC, gears, rear, and trans to hold up to the new engine.