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Old 02-02-2003, 08:41 AM
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Great numbers Jason. I'm sure your car will back it up on the 1/4 mile dyno. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" /> Makes you wonder if its worth going all bore or 400+ ci. when you can get that kind of power out of a 346. Congrats. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

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nice numbers. what does the car idle at?
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Hellooooooo Jason ,

how are you man <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> ?? long time ....... yeah yeah I see what you was planning for .... I was asking myself : Hey Abdulla , Jason told me before few months that he want to install GTP heads , what happened about them ??

I see what happened <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

Congratulation about this new setup , I can't wait to see the results of the larger cam and E.T. #s

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Jason99T/A:
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</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Jason99T/A:
<strong> -JE forged pistons (3.905" bore)
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Now what is the exact size ( c.i. ) of this new engine ??

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Jason99T/A:
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-Thunder 240/236 .592/.592 111lsa solid roller cam
-T&D rockers/Crane solid lifter
-Ford 30lb injectors
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">About the cam , I know you gona change it , but why you installed this small solid cam ??

Are those rockers 1.7 ??

Those ford 30lb are same of that 30lb SVO ??

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Jason99T/A:
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Flow#s on the heads:
GTP stage 2 5.3l flow numbers
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I saw at intake at 550 & 600 its less than 300 cfm , why ??? I think thats low , right ??


</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Jason99T/A:
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took it for a quick ride around the
block after this and damn it felt good! </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Did you work on your PCM before this ride ?? or it was without PCM woking ??

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Jason99T/A:
<strong> Not bad at all through a Moser 12-bolt w/ 4.56s, 3.5" driveshaft, and a stock flywheel! The motor has no miles on it and it does need the A/F ratio leaned out some (12.0:1)</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">WOOOOOOOOOOW <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" /> , HOLY MOLY , all that and you've got 460 rwhp ?? if you got 3.42 and alum. flywheel and put some miles and did the A/F ratio right with larger cam , what you will get ??? DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" />

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Jason99T/A:
<strong> I'll have some sound clips up this week. It really does sound sweet through the Hooker catback.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yeah we want it

Congrats Jason and keep us in touch ...... sorry for all of this questions , I ahve in my mind a solid cam setup <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

Now I have a test on 2 cams (X1 and TR 230/224) , check in drag racing section

At what RPM you were shifting with th230/224 ??

Thanks and good luck

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SWEET! She is back together. <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />

Great numbers. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" />

I can't wait for the track times. <img border="0" alt="[evil]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_devil.gif" />

Good luck buddy. <img border="0" alt="[angel]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_angel.gif" />

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PS. Now its time to get my Hot Rod finished and run these two Thunder Racing Hot Rods against each other. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Those ford 30lb are same of that 30lb SVO ?? </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yes.
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Matt, all I did last night was go drive the car. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> I met up with some friends for a little while, but ended up spending most of time just enjoying my car again. 1 LS1 Trans Am and a Bullet Mustang went down easily. lol Beth didn't go to the club? She makes the Gold Club alot of fun. <img border="0" alt="[pimp]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_pimp.gif" />

Chad: I'll be heading out there Friday. They just don't prep the track worth a crap on Wed. BTW, I plan on shifting at 7100.

Thanks Mike. The AC is right next to your power steering and Gordo's AC... in the attic. lol

Hardtop: A 346ci is nice, but a larger motor would be more fun to drive IMHO. You could do a 422 with a mild hydraulic roller and this would be about the perfect street/strip setup.

DriveATransAm: The car's idle is set at 1050 now, but it can stand to be lowered. We just put the idle here before even starting the car. I'll have it lowered back to 875-900 this week.

Abdulla: I haven't actually done the math on the CI. I just consider it a stock rebuild with better pistons/rods.

The cam was choosen to be slightly easier on parts since I do drive the car everyday. The closing ramp on both lobes are pretty soft compared to other solid roller lobes. This should help with durability.

The rockers are 1.7 and the inj. are FORD/SVO 30lbs.

The heads were flowed on our bench, which has been known to read just a tad low. I wasn't too concerned about this since the GTP consistently make great power.

The only thing changed in the PCM from my last setup is the revlimiter at 7500 and the idle at 1050, which is going to be lowered this week.

I shifted at 6800 with the TR230/224.

Thanks Coach! Once we get your block back from the machine shop, it will be time for assembly. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

lol Justin, just putting my fuel pump in and relocating my battery and then it will be time to really dial this setup in at the track. If you can, head out to NPR Friday and get some video. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

Thanks Allan! You are the reason why I did decide to do another solid setup, just like you convinved me to do one last year. lol If not, I would have kept the TR230/224 in there. You can't beat the driveability and power the solid setup gives you. I'll try my best to give you a little 6-speed competition. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

We have the lash set at .008" cold.

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Nice numbers!

I'm suprised it made peak HP as high as it did with that small of a solid roller. What is your intake centerline?

My 383 LT1 with 251/251 @.050 peaked at 6,200.
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The intake centerline is at 111.5*.
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whatever , Jason99T/A

Thank you guys <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
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Hey Jason, any way I could have a look at your current LS1 edit file? I want to see if there is a correlation between some things in the tables that seem to hold true for alot of heads/cam cars that i notice in a lot of dyno sheets
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You would have to talk w/ Geoff @ Thunder regarding that.

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Jason thats is awesome power. Glad you got your car back now stop messing with it so you can enjoy it for awhile. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> Let me know when you are going to go to the track so I can get some video.

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That dyno graph looks like you would not have to shift above 7000 rpms to get the best out of it either. the moter should last a while like that . Atleast till the nos is installed <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
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Well congrats little buddy <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> glad to see you have it back together after all the problems you had. Looks like I finally have some competition to keep me on my toes <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Dyno #s are great and all, but I live for track times </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">THATS what Iam talking about,a true racer goes for the ET <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" /> But some damn good #'s through a racing drivetrain <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_images/icons/tongue.gif" />

What lash did you start with?
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Jason the car sounds awesome. I can't wait to see track times.. I think you will be very happy must feel awesome to spin the motor to 7200+ <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
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Pete, thanks man. It sure is fun spinning to 7200+. I only did that once or twice this weekend. <img border="0" alt="[angel]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_angel.gif" />
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Great numbers Jason!!! <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />

Just got a call on mine and mabey this week we will start it up... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
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That's great Jason, the track times should be real good. I didn't know your car has been out of commission that long. I know how it feels, I forgot what mine looked like. Good luck getting tens this weekend.

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That car is going to run like it's *** is on fire <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> How often will the rockers need to be adjusted?
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Sounds like a great setup .
A couple of questions.
What size tire are you running? A 26 or 28 inch? It looks like if you picked up 6-7 mph (6 for the hp, and 1 for the weight reduction) and .6 in the 1/4 you would be running ~128 mph. With the 26(26.2)" tire, you would trap at 7500, with the 28" it would be 7000. With your current setup peakng at 6500, the 26 inch tire seems just a little too small, plus it would be a bitch to try and hookup on (maybe on a 26x11.5). It would be nice to raise that peak 2-300 hundred rpm and be able to hook on a 26" tire.

I guess I don't really have a point here <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="gr_sad.gif" /> I was just thinking out loud about your gear/tire setup.

Are you planning on bringing it up to Hattiesburg anytime? It looks like I'm going to be back there for a few weeks and I have not made it out to that track yet.

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