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Old Nov 3, 2007 | 11:35 PM
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Angry Tale of a cam swap

I have been collecting parts for a cam swap for a few weeks now, but finding time to do it has been a problem for the past two weeks.

(the cat is my secret ingrediant for a little more powa!
This weekend, I finally have no commitments, and was even alone at the house for most of Saturday. I started the cam swap at about 9:30 pm Friday night.

I rocked along, pulling the radiator/fans; rack & pinnion; coils & rocker covers... storing parts in the trunk for safe keeping.

Just when I thought I would see the cam out by midnight, I ended up tearing up my 3-prong puller. So that was it for the first 2½ hours. This morning, I picked up a rental puller, and the balancer came off without too much drama.

With the front cover off, I was able to set the lifters, and add wooden dowls (a little small, but what I had laying around) for extra protection from dropping a lifter.



Old cam slid right out, and finally time to install the new cam.

That's when this little story takes a screeching stop Right after the third journal gets started, the cam quits moving. After pulling it back out, looking through the bore, test fitting with the old cam, trying the new one a third time, I finally realized that the exhaust lobe on #4 is hitting the bearing. When I put a straight edge on the bearing journals, that exhaust lobe made the straight edge rock. In other words - the lobe is off-center from the cam centerline. All of the lobes are close to the journal OD, but this one particular lobe is too far out of line to install the cam.

So all that is left is to clean engine covers and port the oil pump.
A couple before pictures:


and the obligatory after pictures:


I got the outlet port opened enough to fit my pinky through. Should allow a little more flow. I suppose I'll have plenty of time to port the throttle body while I wait on a new cam. I plan to call the cam manufacturer (let's leave them anonymous for now, depending on how they treat me - and no it isn't a Comp cam) Monday morning, and see how willing they are to do a swap - on the quick. So here is how it will sit until I get a replacement shaft...
(note the first Gen 406 off to the side that I just pulled out of my '69 Nova while it goes to the paint shop...)

to be continued...
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Old Nov 3, 2007 | 11:41 PM
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keep us posted!
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Old Nov 3, 2007 | 11:41 PM
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Damn. Havent heard of this one before.. Keep us posted
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Old Nov 3, 2007 | 11:58 PM
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damn, i would bitch and moan until i got something for free. thanks sucks, GL
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Old Nov 3, 2007 | 11:59 PM
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+1 on never hearing about an off center lobe.
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Old Nov 4, 2007 | 12:07 AM
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I can only guess what co. that is (its happend before) I am in the middle, weel almost end now of my heads/cam swap on my vette, you left your hood on?!?!? Wait until you have to put the balancer back on its a boatch, thats holding me up right now, I went through 2 autozone pullers before I got the old balancer off. What size cam did you go with, it looks like a 240+ duration?
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Old Nov 4, 2007 | 12:09 AM
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your flying through the cam install until the setback. i hope they make it right.
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Old Nov 4, 2007 | 12:19 AM
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Originally Posted by LS1C5Vette
I can only guess what co. that is (its happend before) ..... What size cam did you go with, it looks like a 240+ duration?
The main reason I don't want to throw out the cam vendor is because they don't actually grind the cam. I am pretty sure they just market it in order to have a package to offer. On a side note - there is absolutely no manufactuer markings or even casting numbers on this camshaft. I sure hope they don't give me a rough time about swapping it out.

It is actually a pretty small cam. Advertised at 226° @ .050" lift.
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Old Nov 4, 2007 | 12:23 AM
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Wow it looks WAY different (lobe wise) then the one I got, are those XER or XE lobes? Hope it all works out man
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Old Nov 4, 2007 | 12:33 AM
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Who knows for sure what this cam really is. I tried to measure the lift by measuring the lobe minus the base circle * 1.7 rocker ratio, and I got 0.597" lift. But the cam was supposed to be .585" lift. It could be error in my caliper measurements, or it could just be a different cam than what I ordered.
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Old Nov 4, 2007 | 12:46 AM
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Man that sucks! All excited to get the cam in and a snag like that happens. I hope you get everything worked out.
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Old Nov 4, 2007 | 02:53 AM
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this is not qc standards as ought to be indeed,
look ath the bright side,you can do all these other finicky bits
and are well aware now to re inspect the stick before you attempt it again.
however does this mean i can only trust competition cams?
there are fair few beaut cam grinders along the way is it possible
to clear their reputation in case i wanna buy their cam?
like for instance name some companys that the cam is not from maybe
i like the quality of the pictures,was the crank bolt a mongrel to loosen too?
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Old Nov 4, 2007 | 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by oz304
however does this mean i can only trust competition cams? there are fair few beaut cam grinders along the way is it possible to clear their reputation in case i wanna buy their cam? like for instance name some companys that the cam is not from maybe
i like the quality of the pictures,was the crank bolt a mongrel to loosen too?
You make a good point. This is a very rare case of poor quality control. I really don't know for sure who actually ground this cam, but I don't think it was any of the mainstream cam companies. Don't let this rare incident affect which cam manufacturer you choose. The reason I mentioned Comp Cams in my post was because their spring and pushrod boxes show up in the picture. I didn't have trouble with the crank bolt, because a co-worker lent me his new Craftsman impact (black chrome finish is cool). My old I/R impact is getting a little weak.
I enjoy photography, along with hot rodding. I use a Nikon D70 with 18x135 zoom lens right now.
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Old Nov 4, 2007 | 09:11 AM
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At least you got the pulley off, thats is the major bitch of the project.
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Old Nov 4, 2007 | 09:49 AM
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I have seen this before so it is not that uncommon, and from different cam manufacturers as well . I pretty sure that the company you got this from is going to take care of you , their customer service is awesome! I have this same cam that you have and it sounds alot bigger than it is, so you should like it . Good luck !

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Old Nov 4, 2007 | 08:00 PM
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Clyde, good luck with a proper and speedy response from the cam mfg.

If you need any help or just someone to watch the install go down(), holler...I'm not too far from your place.
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Old Nov 4, 2007 | 08:24 PM
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If ya could PM me the cam specs. Im throwing about the idea of going cam only and its a 226 cam im looking at.


Wanna put my new cam in?
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Old Nov 4, 2007 | 09:36 PM
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That sucks

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Old Nov 4, 2007 | 10:16 PM
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Wow, why would you guess what it is when he specifically said he's not gonna tell.
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Old Nov 5, 2007 | 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by itsfast
...If you need any help or just someone to watch the install go down(), holler...I'm not too far from your place.
Thanks for the offer Richard. Hopefully I'll have a replacement on the way this week. The other aggrivating thing is I will be out of town this coming weekend, and I don't get much wrenching time during the week. It may be a little while before I can get it back together now.

After I have a chance to talk to the vendor, I'll post more information about the cam. As far as installation for other people, you wouldn't like my time table very well. It would take me a while to get to it, and I have two project cars of my own.
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