Preparing for cam
12-13-2007, 08:25 PM
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Preparing for cam I think I've settled on just doing a cam install and maybe even a mail order tune for fun as I'm a little short on time due to being redeployed shortly.
I'd like to be a little thorough with the valve train, trying to get an idea on the associated parts in particular, because I'm not sure what I need for my application.
2001 SS
Lid.......
After alot of thinking over the last two years, my choice for a cam only setup right now is (prescription from Pred after talking about my goals)
231/240, .643/.608 112+4 LSA
Custom order with Comp cam LSK intake and XE-R lobes
the rest of the parts are as follows,
Patriot Gold Springs
Scorpion Rockers? or Harland Shaft Mounted Adj. Rockers? (need opinions)
Comp, LS6 Lifters?(stumped on this one, anything higher reccommended?)
hardened pushrods (opinions here on brand and diameter?)
Katech Oil Pump
Comp Cams double roller timing set
valve seals, seats, and ti retainers
Other than that I'll put in some Pacesetter LTs and a catted Y
I am trying to get under the curve power here and i'm all street. I'm even to the point, if I can really make the power usable, I don't care if it falls off at 6200 or so. Reasonable?
Any ideas?
I'd like to be a little thorough with the valve train, trying to get an idea on the associated parts in particular, because I'm not sure what I need for my application.
2001 SS
Lid.......
After alot of thinking over the last two years, my choice for a cam only setup right now is (prescription from Pred after talking about my goals)
231/240, .643/.608 112+4 LSA
Custom order with Comp cam LSK intake and XE-R lobes
the rest of the parts are as follows,
Patriot Gold Springs
Scorpion Rockers? or Harland Shaft Mounted Adj. Rockers? (need opinions)
Comp, LS6 Lifters?(stumped on this one, anything higher reccommended?)
hardened pushrods (opinions here on brand and diameter?)
Katech Oil Pump
Comp Cams double roller timing set
valve seals, seats, and ti retainers
Other than that I'll put in some Pacesetter LTs and a catted Y
I am trying to get under the curve power here and i'm all street. I'm even to the point, if I can really make the power usable, I don't care if it falls off at 6200 or so. Reasonable?
Any ideas?
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12-13-2007, 10:25 PM
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yeah I'm hoping so just want to make sure I get some good parts and picking the stuff out right,
hey I'd like to change the lifters, is it worth it on a cam only set up right now? Worth pulling the heads?
hey I'd like to change the lifters, is it worth it on a cam only set up right now? Worth pulling the heads?
12-13-2007, 11:04 PM
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I heard that the faster ramp rates make for easier tuning or at least a smoother idle down low. Any truth to that?
12-13-2007, 11:12 PM
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I think I've settled on just doing a cam install and maybe even a mail order tune for fun as I'm a little short on time due to being redeployed shortly.
I'd like to be a little thorough with the valve train, trying to get an idea on the associated parts in particular, because I'm not sure what I need for my application.
2001 SS
Lid.......
After alot of thinking over the last two years, my choice for a cam only setup right now is (prescription from Pred after talking about my goals)
231/240, .643/.608 112+4 LSA
Custom order with Comp cam LSK intake and XE-R lobes
the rest of the parts are as follows,
Patriot Gold Springs (Patriot Extreme Duals)
Scorpion Rockers? or Harland Shaft Mounted Adj. Rockers? (need opinions)
Use the stock ones (get a Harland Sharp rebuilt from Nasty's)
Comp, LS6 Lifters?(stumped on this one, anything higher reccommended?)
Comp Cam 850-16
hardened pushrods (opinions here on brand and diameter?)
Comp Cam 7.425
Katech Oil Pump
Any ported oil pump will do
Comp Cams double roller timing set
If you are gonna to degree the cam yes, otherwise a LS2 chain and sprocket setup is more than fine.
valve seals, seats, and ti retainers
I think it all comes in the PP kit
Other than that I'll put in some Pacesetter LTs and a catted Y
I am trying to get under the curve power here and i'm all street. I'm even to the point, if I can really make the power usable, I don't care if it falls off at 6200 or so. Reasonable?
It will pull to 6600, you'll make plenty under the curve. I would invest in lower control arms and Poly sway bar bushings.
Any ideas?
I'd like to be a little thorough with the valve train, trying to get an idea on the associated parts in particular, because I'm not sure what I need for my application.
2001 SS
Lid.......
After alot of thinking over the last two years, my choice for a cam only setup right now is (prescription from Pred after talking about my goals)
231/240, .643/.608 112+4 LSA
Custom order with Comp cam LSK intake and XE-R lobes
the rest of the parts are as follows,
Patriot Gold Springs (Patriot Extreme Duals)
Scorpion Rockers? or Harland Shaft Mounted Adj. Rockers? (need opinions)
Use the stock ones (get a Harland Sharp rebuilt from Nasty's)
Comp, LS6 Lifters?(stumped on this one, anything higher reccommended?)
Comp Cam 850-16
hardened pushrods (opinions here on brand and diameter?)
Comp Cam 7.425
Katech Oil Pump
Any ported oil pump will do
Comp Cams double roller timing set
If you are gonna to degree the cam yes, otherwise a LS2 chain and sprocket setup is more than fine.
valve seals, seats, and ti retainers
I think it all comes in the PP kit
Other than that I'll put in some Pacesetter LTs and a catted Y
I am trying to get under the curve power here and i'm all street. I'm even to the point, if I can really make the power usable, I don't care if it falls off at 6200 or so. Reasonable?
It will pull to 6600, you'll make plenty under the curve. I would invest in lower control arms and Poly sway bar bushings.
Any ideas?
12-13-2007, 11:34 PM
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I have 227/228 LSK/XER with stock lifters, and I went with Patriot Extreme Golds (and yes they come with Ti retainers , seals and seats), and Comp 7.450 pushrods that Patrick recommended.
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12-14-2007, 10:28 AM
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I'm not sure if TR sells that spring kit, I got mine for $275 with free (and fast) shipping from Speed Inc. I didn't get it on a dyno before I put it away for the winter. I'm on a Thunder mail order tune and it runs good except some bucking at real slow speeds, which doesn't bother me.
12-14-2007, 06:18 PM
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I'm not sure if TR sells that spring kit, I got mine for $275 with free (and fast) shipping from Speed Inc. I didn't get it on a dyno before I put it away for the winter. I'm on a Thunder mail order tune and it runs good except some bucking at real slow speeds, which doesn't bother me.
12-14-2007, 06:44 PM
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Not sure how much ur looking to spend I just put pacesetter LTs, and ORY on and have some valve train problems so while im tearing it all down I found most of my list. I called texas speed and ur cam is close to a magic stick v.3 which is what im getting along with ls2 timing chain, gm ls7 lifters, ls6 oil pump, spring kit, and under drive pulley all for around $1100.
12-14-2007, 07:55 PM
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It won't be out until probably April at the earliest. I have a LC-1 wideband o2 sensor I will put in to tweak the tune some more with my EFI live. How close to TR are you?
12-14-2007, 08:52 PM
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Pulling the heads adds a lot of work to this job just to be able to install different lifters considering that neither the heads or intake have to come off for a cam swap on the GenIII LS series. Better to wait and change the lifters later on when you can afford to upgrade the heads at the same time. Why do all that work twice and pay for an extra gasket set?
12-14-2007, 09:49 PM
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Not sure how much ur looking to spend I just put pacesetter LTs, and ORY on and have some valve train problems so while im tearing it all down I found most of my list. I called texas speed and ur cam is close to a magic stick v.3 which is what im getting along with ls2 timing chain, gm ls7 lifters, ls6 oil pump, spring kit, and under drive pulley all for around $1100.
I guess I'll wind up minus the lifters and minus the underdrive pulley, but I'm sure by the time I pay for a timing set over the LS2 chain, I'll be around or a little above your price.
Pulling the heads adds a lot of work to this job just to be able to install different lifters considering that neither the heads or intake have to come off for a cam swap on the GenIII LS series. Better to wait and change the lifters later on when you can afford to upgrade the heads at the same time. Why do all that work twice and pay for an extra gasket set?
I'm starting to have some thoughts about the bassani TD, but the dang thing doesn't come in 3"! I'd love to get it in 3"!
12-14-2007, 09:55 PM
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Well you won't even need to remove the PCM, just bring the car there and they will flash it for you. But, a dyno tune might not cost much more, and will be better.
12-15-2007, 09:22 AM
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Yeah there's a split timing cover for the LS, but when you see the cost you'll go into sticker shock. If you're having problems paying for things now don't even think about the split cover. That's really a specialtly item for people that do a lot of cam swaps on the same engine. If the cost came down it might not be called specialty, but I'm don't plan on doing unneeded cam swaps just because I have a split cover.
12-16-2007, 02:32 AM
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Yeah there's a split timing cover for the LS, but when you see the cost you'll go into sticker shock. If you're having problems paying for things now don't even think about the split cover. That's really a specialtly item for people that do a lot of cam swaps on the same engine. If the cost came down it might not be called specialty, but I'm don't plan on doing unneeded cam swaps just because I have a split cover.
