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Old 07-12-2003, 04:56 PM
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Techedge is shipping their new wbo2 wideband. I ordered one. Option of 2 sensors, total package about $430 including the digital display to mount on the dash....

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Dave, thanks for posting this! I heard about that one before but couldn't find the old post. I think I'll go for one of those DIY kits, can't beat the pice!
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Thanks! It's great to have my car working right again; also just added 5 degrees of timing at 1200rpm and below to help smooth out the idle. . .
Low Octane or High Octane spark advance table?
From which gm/cyl.?

Great to hear you love the cam and how well everything's going

Time to dyno that beast soon
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Didn't touch the High and Low Octane tables, just the two Base Spark tables since I was only trying to improve idle quality. These tables are supposed to be active only with the throttle closed. Since I have zero spark retard under all conditions, I might look at the High Octane table next. Yeah I need to find a dyno around here; might be a while though since I spent all the money I had on valve train components.
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Nice job Cal! I'm glad you are enjoying the cam.

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Old 07-12-2003, 07:42 PM
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Great cam, great price (was on the GP) great service, you guys are the best! Oh and thanks for personally degreeing my cam!
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I just picked a large value to fill the whole table with, but LS1edit automaticaly inserted a value that matched the largest already on the table. This was 1.0000 gms/sec for the P/N and 0.0195 gms/sec for "in gear."
Sorry for the brain-fart, guys. I just went back and was able to put up to 31 in all the cells. Apparently this parameter is described with 5 binary bits. I don't know why I wasn't able to do this the first time. Throttle comes down even better now, but there is still a delay before it starts to come down. What we need is an "In Gear" delay parameter in LS1edit like there is for P/N.
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Won't the "Decay Value in Gear" work?
Old 07-12-2003, 11:16 PM
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Yeah the "Decay in Gear" works, but there is still is a pretty big delay before the decay even starts. P/N has an adjustment for both the "Delay" and the "Decay" but the in gear table only has decay. But I think I have a solution: I'm going to put a switch on the TB that closes the clutch circuit whenever the TB is closed. That should do it since pushing in the clutch seems to throw the PCM into the P/N table . . . I'll post the results.
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If possible post a wav file of the lope...
This isn't my car, but same cam and sounds about the same, except mine has more lope because I still have the stock idle speed. The part right at the end after the rev sounds the most like mine.

http://members.***.net/mpowerede30_2...r_catback.mpeg
Hey Cal, The dyno response, specs, and overall comments about this cam have already helped me to make up my mind regarding future cam selection. I was surprised to hear how close it sounds to a 280 deg/110 lsa Comp Magnum cam I used to run years ago! It's eerie! TR224/114 all the way!!
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Yeah I know what you mean; the cam has been bringing back fond memories of a '67 Firebird with a big Crane cam that I had years ago; but thankfully without a lot of the drawbacks that one had thanks to roller followers, rockers, and fast ramps. The advertized duration of the TR224 is not advertized by Thunder Racing hee, hee but it's around 275 degrees.
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I have a custom ground 220/220 .581/.563 that idles at 700 and makes peak power at 6100. I used an XE-R lobe on the intake side so its a reverse split up to .500 lift. What are the valve event on the 224/224 XE cam. Beleive it or not, my cam is larger from .200-.400 than the 224 and it will make more power. Reverse split all the way.
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This isn't my car, but same cam and sounds about the same, except mine has more lope because I still have the stock idle speed. The part right at the end after the rev sounds the most like mine.

http://members.***.net/mpowerede30_2...r_catback.mpeg
That's my car.
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Cal, its great the cam is performing up to your standards. I', jelous that you have been able to raise you limiter. I don't have ls1 edit because I chose the Yella Terras instead. I plan on having it tuned this winter.

I still am unsure what this cruise control thing is. I don't have that problem. Or I think? My car seems to decellerate quickly when foot taken off the gas.

Anyways, keep us posted. When do you plan on a dyno run?
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Brian the only reason I have LS1edit is I bought it way before the cam; I'm strapped now as well after buying all the extra "must haves" that go with it like the Yella Terras, springs, Ti retainers, pushrods, timing chain, underdrive pulley and oil pump. And I figured while it was torn down might as well do the LS6 valley cover. Hopefully in a couple of months I'll do the dyno run. As for the cruise control, I guess every car is different; some people have it some don't. Oh BTW, nice numbers! I hope I can dyno that high after I get headers!
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Throttle comes down even better now, but there is still a delay before it starts to come down. What we need is an "In Gear" delay parameter in LS1edit like there is for P/N.
Well as a follow-up for those that have been following my "cruise control effect" problem, it's finally totally solved! The final element was to unhook the battery for a while; this seems to have forced the PCM to do a relearn and fully recognize the the changes I made to the follower tables. Apparently you have to do that after making engine tuning changes to get the full benefit.
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Are you still running the stock maf and TB?
Old 07-14-2003, 01:25 PM
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Yes I am; the only thing I've done in this area is de-screen the MAF.
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S2/Bauer/other TB may be the way to go now Cal. I don't personally believe in messing with the MAF ever, at all, in any way.

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Yeah I agree on the MAF. I descreened it way back before I knew better, but I think doing that did give me a little more timing and a little leaner mixture that I needed anyway. If I were going to do it over again, I would use LS1edit, though.

I plan to port the TB myself since I have a welder and a lathe. I think it's kind of ghetto the way people fill them in with glue.
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I bought a new TB from Dal and had is shiped to Mark Shaner to do his S2 magic. I like to keep my OEM stuff and Dal has excellent prices...


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