AFR 225 vs Trick Flow vs ET performance
AFR 225 vs Trick Flow vs ET performance I am been reading all the prior posts on LS1tech about all of these heads, I have heard bad good and even the ugly at times. I am personally torn between all of these setup.
I am interested in making around 450-475 rwhp out of my 2002 camaro ss A4.
I am confused on which setup will produce the most Reliable power overall. The AFR seems like great heads, But as far as I have read Trickflows seem to flow just a little bit better. The ET Performance have a a lower degree so clearence will not be an issue. If I am incorrect in these statements please feel free to comment. The car is not a daily driver so that wont be an issue but I dont want a crazy insane idle.
The trickflows seem like it will produce what I am looking for. I was interested in there 215cc heads and cam package,
Here is the link
http://www.trickflow.com/egnsearch.a...=KeywordSearch
I am curious about if I should go with 205 215 or 225. I am looking at a cam like 228 or possibly 236 but i dont want to flycut the pistons.
ALright all the experts please respond lol Thanks everyone
I am interested in making around 450-475 rwhp out of my 2002 camaro ss A4.
I am confused on which setup will produce the most Reliable power overall. The AFR seems like great heads, But as far as I have read Trickflows seem to flow just a little bit better. The ET Performance have a a lower degree so clearence will not be an issue. If I am incorrect in these statements please feel free to comment. The car is not a daily driver so that wont be an issue but I dont want a crazy insane idle.
The trickflows seem like it will produce what I am looking for. I was interested in there 215cc heads and cam package,
Here is the link
http://www.trickflow.com/egnsearch.a...=KeywordSearch
I am curious about if I should go with 205 215 or 225. I am looking at a cam like 228 or possibly 236 but i dont want to flycut the pistons.
ALright all the experts please respond lol Thanks everyone
i just went thru this myself...the TFS and ETs are just better heads than the AFRs. I was debating between the 2 and was slightly leaning towards the ETs. I called several vendors and asked their opinions as well. Basically the TFS and ETs will both have about the same performance, but the ETs will have a bit more PTV clearance (a big point with me since i'm running an MS4), but i doubt that will be as big of an issue with your cam. In the end i went with the Trick Flow 215s because the ETs are at least a 4 week wait. Either way you'll be happy. Stick with a 205 or 215 on stock CI.
I'm going thru the same ordeal. I'm leaning torwards AFR 205 or TFS 215 with a bigger cam and a ported fast intake. right now I have a 228R, LS6 heads and intake.
what are the specs on that 515hp trick flow cam?
what are the specs on that 515hp trick flow cam?
I say AFR 205's with a cam in the range that you are looking for...AFR heads love to make killer power and torque with small to midsized cams. ET's will out flow both tfs and afr heads but i still think AFR wins the battle with a cam in the range that you are looking for...great flow numbers with a small 205 runner like the afr heads equals sick throttle response, power and torque under the curve! It's not always about the most flow...IMO...it's the combo of parts! I am a lil bias though
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[QUOTE=sf35thle;9043007]I am been reading all the prior posts on LS1tech about all of these heads, I have heard bad good and even the ugly at times. I am personally torn between all of these setup.
I am interested in making around 450-475 rwhp out of my 2002 camaro ss A4.
I am confused on which setup will produce the most Reliable power overall. The AFR seems like great heads, But as far as I have read Trickflows seem to flow just a little bit better. The ET Performance have a a lower degree so clearence will not be an issue. If I am incorrect in these statements please feel free to comment. The car is not a daily driver so that wont be an issue but I dont want a crazy insane idle.
it will be tough to make 450-475 rwhp on an auto with those cams. you are gonna need a huuuuge friggin cam for sure. if its not a daily driver than fine. but out of those the TRICKFLOWS are definitely making the sickest power right now.. but AFR are right up there for sure!!! i would get ahold of tony mamo and see what he suggests. also you better have a beefed up tranny to be holding that much power man..
I am interested in making around 450-475 rwhp out of my 2002 camaro ss A4.
I am confused on which setup will produce the most Reliable power overall. The AFR seems like great heads, But as far as I have read Trickflows seem to flow just a little bit better. The ET Performance have a a lower degree so clearence will not be an issue. If I am incorrect in these statements please feel free to comment. The car is not a daily driver so that wont be an issue but I dont want a crazy insane idle.
it will be tough to make 450-475 rwhp on an auto with those cams. you are gonna need a huuuuge friggin cam for sure. if its not a daily driver than fine. but out of those the TRICKFLOWS are definitely making the sickest power right now.. but AFR are right up there for sure!!! i would get ahold of tony mamo and see what he suggests. also you better have a beefed up tranny to be holding that much power man..
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i really dont see you making that kind of power with any of those heads without a monster cam thru an a4 and even then i dont see it. i made the numbers in my sig thru a 6 spd with a bigger cam 232/234 .595/ .598 112+0. and i had my heads milled to 60cc to optimize the cam. good luck in your quest man let us know how it works out
I say AFR 205's with a cam in the range that you are looking for...AFR heads love to make killer power and torque with small to midsized cams. ET's will out flow both tfs and afr heads but i still think AFR wins the battle with a cam in the range that you are looking for...great flow numbers with a small 205 runner like the afr heads equals sick throttle response, power and torque under the curve! It's not always about the most flow...IMO...it's the combo of parts! I am a lil bias though
TFS 215 ET 215 AFR 205
RPM TQ HP TQ HP TQ HP
3000 396 226 396 226
3100 396 233 395 233
3200 400 244 399 243
3300 405 255 403 253 400 251
3400 410 265 406 263 401 260
3500 413 275 410 273 408 272
3600 420 288 419 287 415 284
3700 426 300 422 297 420 296
3800 431 312 429 310 425 308
3900 436 324 429 318 429 319
4000 435 331 432 329 428 326
4100 436 340 435 340 431 336
4200 445 356 441 352 438 350
4300 451 369 447 366 444 364
4400 456 382 454 380 449 376
4500 460 394 461 395 458 392
4600 472 413 470 411 463 406
4700 474 424 470 420 466 417
4800 475 434 469 429 468 428
4900 475 443 468 437 465 434
5000 473 450 468 446 463 441
5100 472 458 468 454 464 451
5200 472 467 468 463 461 456
5300 472 476 468 472 462 466
5400 472 485 468 481 459 472
5500 473 495 468 491 461 483
5600 472 503 464 494 459 489
5700 472 512 461 500 458 497
5800 468 517 461 509 454 501
5900 466 524 456 512 452 508
6000 461 526 453 518 449 513
6100 456 530 448 521 444 516
6200 452 533 443 523 438 517
6300 447 536 437 525 431 517
6400 443 540 430 524 426 519
6500 436 539 424 524 418 517
6600 430 541
6700 424 541
6800 418 541
i really dont see you making that kind of power with any of those heads without a monster cam thru an a4 and even then i dont see it. i made the numbers in my sig thru a 6 spd with a bigger cam 232/234 .595/ .598 112+0. and i had my heads milled to 60cc to optimize the cam. good luck in your quest man let us know how it works out
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This is very untrue. Show me proof of this!! This is a Dyno graph of the AFRs, TFs And ETs. Done by Brian Tooley from total engine air flow. The #'s speak for themself!!
TFS 215 ET 215 AFR 205
RPM TQ HP TQ HP TQ HP
3000 396 226 396 226
3100 396 233 395 233
3200 400 244 399 243
3300 405 255 403 253 400 251
3400 410 265 406 263 401 260
3500 413 275 410 273 408 272
3600 420 288 419 287 415 284
3700 426 300 422 297 420 296
3800 431 312 429 310 425 308
3900 436 324 429 318 429 319
4000 435 331 432 329 428 326
4100 436 340 435 340 431 336
4200 445 356 441 352 438 350
4300 451 369 447 366 444 364
4400 456 382 454 380 449 376
4500 460 394 461 395 458 392
4600 472 413 470 411 463 406
4700 474 424 470 420 466 417
4800 475 434 469 429 468 428
4900 475 443 468 437 465 434
5000 473 450 468 446 463 441
5100 472 458 468 454 464 451
5200 472 467 468 463 461 456
5300 472 476 468 472 462 466
5400 472 485 468 481 459 472
5500 473 495 468 491 461 483
5600 472 503 464 494 459 489
5700 472 512 461 500 458 497
5800 468 517 461 509 454 501
5900 466 524 456 512 452 508
6000 461 526 453 518 449 513
6100 456 530 448 521 444 516
6200 452 533 443 523 438 517
6300 447 536 437 525 431 517
6400 443 540 430 524 426 519
6500 436 539 424 524 418 517
6600 430 541
6700 424 541
6800 418 541
TFS 215 ET 215 AFR 205
RPM TQ HP TQ HP TQ HP
3000 396 226 396 226
3100 396 233 395 233
3200 400 244 399 243
3300 405 255 403 253 400 251
3400 410 265 406 263 401 260
3500 413 275 410 273 408 272
3600 420 288 419 287 415 284
3700 426 300 422 297 420 296
3800 431 312 429 310 425 308
3900 436 324 429 318 429 319
4000 435 331 432 329 428 326
4100 436 340 435 340 431 336
4200 445 356 441 352 438 350
4300 451 369 447 366 444 364
4400 456 382 454 380 449 376
4500 460 394 461 395 458 392
4600 472 413 470 411 463 406
4700 474 424 470 420 466 417
4800 475 434 469 429 468 428
4900 475 443 468 437 465 434
5000 473 450 468 446 463 441
5100 472 458 468 454 464 451
5200 472 467 468 463 461 456
5300 472 476 468 472 462 466
5400 472 485 468 481 459 472
5500 473 495 468 491 461 483
5600 472 503 464 494 459 489
5700 472 512 461 500 458 497
5800 468 517 461 509 454 501
5900 466 524 456 512 452 508
6000 461 526 453 518 449 513
6100 456 530 448 521 444 516
6200 452 533 443 523 438 517
6300 447 536 437 525 431 517
6400 443 540 430 524 426 519
6500 436 539 424 524 418 517
6600 430 541
6700 424 541
6800 418 541
I've talked to two shop owners that sell/install/dyno-tune all of the above heads. Both shop owners told me the same thing. ETP 215 and TFS 215 both make about the same power and are both top of the line heads. Both also recommended the ETP 215's as thier personal preference.
what did it make? 
I think its tough to make 450rwhp in an A4,but I think your on the right track for flipping the coin on really good heads..Although there are some A4 guys here pulling 420 cam only(chris1313 Ithink),and a guy here that goes by "trust" has ls6 heads with a decent size cam(similar to ms3) puts down 440rwhp. I have a friend named Gillbot that puts down 400rwhp cam only in an A4.Now these are all great numbers for an A4 and not everyone is gonna match what they did with there set up with an A4. Every car responds differently. My car is an A4 with stage2.5 5.3 heads ported fast and with a tr224 it put down 417 rwhp. I whent up in cam size here as the car is no longer a DD. The new cam measures 232/238 612/606 111+2 and added pulley. I now put down 435 rwhp.. Was I hoping for more with my mods? Sure I think anyone that mods hope for as much as they can,but I've also seen guys with 6speeds and slightly bigger cams do less..I feel I'm within reason where I should be..I do think though If I had trickflos I would be 450rwhp,but not sure if I wanna spend close to $3000 for that extra 15hp just yet,but if your looking for big DYNO numbers for an A4 do the heads once and spend the money so you wont think "what if my combo had these heads"? I just remembered ther is a member here with the T2 and trickflos and ported fast who put down 430rwhp(unlock).Locked should have put him at 450rwhp+...I hope this info helps you out.. As for me I'm happy with what my car is making.I could have gone with an MS3-4 and flycut and keep my heads to get some better dyno numbers,but I did not want to go real big on the cam. I'm putting money in suspension and getting it ready for the REAL numbers..
plus a dyno number really is irrelevant on a cassis dyno as there is no accurate way to account for drivetrain loss. and diff weather conditions as well as type of dyno can greatly throw the numbers around. i say just get what u want and go whoop some ***. any auto car making that type of power will haul *** if u can keep it on the ground.
Can you show me some proof of this? Is there a link to some article or thread that backs these numbers up?
I've talked to two shop owners that sell/install/dyno-tune all of the above heads. Both shop owners told me the same thing. ETP 215 and TFS 215 both make about the same power and are both top of the line heads. Both also recommended the ETP 215's as thier personal preference.
I've talked to two shop owners that sell/install/dyno-tune all of the above heads. Both shop owners told me the same thing. ETP 215 and TFS 215 both make about the same power and are both top of the line heads. Both also recommended the ETP 215's as thier personal preference.
And here is a test of different heads.
http://www.gmhightechperformance.com...heads/tfs.html
Here is the flow chart of the trick flow 215s
http://www.totalengineairflow.com/pr...gmhead/tfsls1/
And here is a flow chart on the ETP 215s
http://www.etheads.com/flowsheets/ET...1_GIII_215.htm
Again the proof is in the pudding!! Anything else you need?
I showed you mine now show me yours. LOL
Last edited by odarabla; Apr 1, 2008 at 12:00 PM.
plus a dyno number really is irrelevant on a cassis dyno as there is no accurate way to account for drivetrain loss. and diff weather conditions as well as type of dyno can greatly throw the numbers around. i say just get what u want and go whoop some ***. any auto car making that type of power will haul *** if u can keep it on the ground.