TVWilkes

The blame is going all over place. This sounds like bullshit to me. The only answer I need is, WHO INSTALLED THE VALVE SPRING KIT ON THE HEADS?

andrew69_04

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I dissagree. I dont believe this was seal related but the seals do touch the springs. go to a parts store and look at a factory valve stem seal for a 2002 T/A. the spring seat is molded into the valve seal, its all one piece, not like an umbrella seal like the 99-01 models used. so technically your wrong when you say the valve seal never touches the spring.

if your seals on those heads have the spring seats molded into them, it could add to your coil bind issue causing what happened.

BlackSS2001

iTrader: (23)

+ 1,000 on this!

Stangkilr

iTrader: (47)

I can understand the carbon buildup on the head I sent you. Explain why the corners of the intake ports look different. This is what I was trying to tell you Jon after I pulled the intake off. The two heads look totally different. You guys have the one that looks like it was ported wrong in the pic.

Jason 98 TA

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Mr. Tim glad to hear from you. I want to tell you as the owner of these heads that they were infact a brand new style ls6 heads built specifically with stock seal setup when they left here. Contrary to what was posted the heads are infact both identical & the double springs were NOT INSTALLED AT TSP.

Stangkilr

iTrader: (47)

I installed the springs not seals! The seals were on the heads from TSP. Like I said I have always installed them this way. Never had problems. I just dont see how a head can destroy itself over this. Then looking more into the cause, I find the port job on the heads look different. I sound like a broken record.

Jason 98 TA

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Take a look at the pics really closely Stangkilr. The two ports look exactly the same.

Please circle where the heads look different for us. When you installed the spring you should have installed the included seat & seal combo. It's that simple.

Why haven't you just called me to discuss this instead of hiding behind your keyboard. Every statement you've made I have clearly explained & yet you continue to ask the same question.

What does it take to make you understand what's occuring?

Jon@Texas-Speed

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I tried to explain all this on the phone but apparently it wasn't clear enough. I offered to help you as much as possible on new castings but that was thrown back in our face. Even late yesterday afternoon when we knew this was NOT TSP's fault, we still offered to cover all the CNC work if you purchased the parts. Now you actually have nerve to post that no longer care to do business with us??? I can tell you this seems to be a frequently occurring issue here. Customer's try to hang sponsors on this board to get something for free and I am quite frankly sick of it. Your springs did not make it out yesterday. Since they did not, I will go ahead and refund that order to your credit card and ship YOUR broken head and components back to you today and you can go somewhere else. We are too busy to waste a whole morning defending ourselves against a YOUR lack of ability to install parts correctly.

Again, your order has been CANCELLED and you will recieve a copy of the invoice and a refund statement in the mail.

Jon Reynolds
Sales Manager
Texas Speed & Performance

Stangkilr

iTrader: (47)

Your exactly right Jon, I dont see a head breaking like this over a valve spring issue. Im done doing business with you guys. I also called and talked with you before I posted anything negative. Talked with some people last night and lead me to believe this should not come out of my pocket.

Stangkilr

iTrader: (47)

You guys need to send a notice to not install the dual springs on the factory LS6 valve seals then! The springs did not bind when I put them on the heads.

GuitsBoy

iTrader: (4)

Could be a problem if its measured in crank degrees like most cam measurements (except lsa). But I LOLed anyway.

Stangkilr

iTrader: (47)

MS4 will be coming out too, I dont want to represent anything from them anymore.

Jason 98 TA

iTrader: (4)

We sent the proper parts for the install, the new seats & seals are included in the kit. Sorry I wasn't there to install them for you, but it really can't be blamed on me.

Please answer my post explaining how & where the cnc machine decided to change the program on your heads. Give us some pics because I don't see the difference... but what do I know I've only seen that head reproduced 300+ times...

andrew69_04

iTrader: (148)

Maybe you should learn how to install parts correctly. How could you miss something like this?

If i buy a new car, sell it to some other guy the warranty is viod, just like these heads.

If i was the owner of TSP i would say exactally what they told you. You changed the springs, there was a problem and the head broke. If TSP would have changed the springs, they would have done it correctly.

Looks like you made yourself look retarded by trying to bash a very well known sponsor for your F*CK UP.

Jason 98 TA

iTrader: (4)

Why do you still feel we somehow screwed you? The install was the issue & I assure you the heads are absolutely identical.

RZRSEDGE

iTrader: (21)

Can't really blame it on TSP. I think they were going above and beyond by offering to send a new ported head for just the price of a core. I hate this for the original poster. Good luck with the new setup.

Jason 98 TA

iTrader: (4)

I just dont get how we're still discussing this. Look closely at this pic:



Notice how the spring is sitting on the stock seal. If you install the spring on the seal like this it will not bind up while just installing it. It will however bind up when your engine is running. You took .180" out of the total amount of lift the spring can run. By doing this you limited the spring to under .500" lift & then drove the car for 400 miles at .650" lift.

TVWilkes

That is the stupidest thing I have read. Why in the hell would they send new ones if you could reuse the stock parts.

Jason 98 TA

iTrader: (4)

I absolutely never want to leave a customer SOL even if he didn't buy the parts from us.

The deal is guys shouldn't think of ls1tech as a place to bash until you get what you want.

When I installed my Spec clutch in my vette without the proper shim, I didnt bash Spec until they replaced the clutch & paid for the shim swap. I simply man'd up & stood behind what I caused.

Stangkilr

iTrader: (47)

Help me out, pay $800 plus shipping and send my old stuff back. One head is still great. No thanks. Im done though, I have work to do and sounds like TSP does too.