Finishing up: Engine Intake
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When I got all the parts I was also expecting to be close to or over 400 RWHP and was disappointed when I found out I was only hitting 370. I am well aware of the fact that many other people seem to be putting down better numbers with a setup like mine.
So what can I pick up that extra 30 RWHP I'm missing. Is there something I am overlooking in my setup? My engine tune is off? If the cats are only sapping me for 5 RWHP I should have around 395 RWHP with my current setup.
So what can I pick up that extra 30 RWHP I'm missing. Is there something I am overlooking in my setup? My engine tune is off? If the cats are only sapping me for 5 RWHP I should have around 395 RWHP with my current setup.
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Launching!
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From: Philly
Here is my mod list:
PRC Stage 1.5 Heads 5.3L (Texas Speed)
Harland Sharp Rockers
Futral F13 Cam 112 LSA
Dual Timing Chain Kit
Mezierre Electric Water Pump
Ported Oil Pump
ASP Underdrive Pulley
Ported stock TB
Stock LS6 Intake
Ford 33lb Injectors
Walbro 255 Fuel Pump
Moser 12-bolt 4.10
Hooker LT Headers
Custom 3" Y-Pipe w/ 3" Magnaflow cats
SLP Loudmouth Exhaust w/ 3" Dynomax Bullet Muffler
SLP Intake Lid
Drill Mod
Spec Stage 3 Clutch
I actually went to the track yesterday and ran 12.667 @ 112 on Nitto 555s. My 60' was 1.950 for that run, after dropping my rears to 20 psi. I consistently trapped 112 MPH...
Can I do a leakdown test myself? I'd really like to know why I'm only getting 370 when you're all saying I should be well over 400.
PRC Stage 1.5 Heads 5.3L (Texas Speed)
Harland Sharp Rockers
Futral F13 Cam 112 LSA
Dual Timing Chain Kit
Mezierre Electric Water Pump
Ported Oil Pump
ASP Underdrive Pulley
Ported stock TB
Stock LS6 Intake
Ford 33lb Injectors
Walbro 255 Fuel Pump
Moser 12-bolt 4.10
Hooker LT Headers
Custom 3" Y-Pipe w/ 3" Magnaflow cats
SLP Loudmouth Exhaust w/ 3" Dynomax Bullet Muffler
SLP Intake Lid
Drill Mod
Spec Stage 3 Clutch
I actually went to the track yesterday and ran 12.667 @ 112 on Nitto 555s. My 60' was 1.950 for that run, after dropping my rears to 20 psi. I consistently trapped 112 MPH...
Can I do a leakdown test myself? I'd really like to know why I'm only getting 370 when you're all saying I should be well over 400.
I dont know much about the Texas Speed heads, but my guess (assuming a solid running bottom end) the heads might not be a good match to the F13 cam. You might want to call Futral and ask what would be a good head to combine with their cams.
I personally use AFR 205 heads. They were installed out of the box, no milling or porting.
2 years ago I was running the TR224 cam (small lift verssion), I was putting down 425rwhp.
Since then, I've upgraded to a cam only slightly more than your F13, that is now putting down 480rwhp.
How about that 12-bolt - how much power do they use as compared to the stock 10-bolt??
I personally use AFR 205 heads. They were installed out of the box, no milling or porting.
2 years ago I was running the TR224 cam (small lift verssion), I was putting down 425rwhp.
Since then, I've upgraded to a cam only slightly more than your F13, that is now putting down 480rwhp.
How about that 12-bolt - how much power do they use as compared to the stock 10-bolt??
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I dont know much about the Texas Speed heads, but my guess (assuming a solid running bottom end) the heads might not be a good match to the F13 cam. You might want to call Futral and ask what would be a good head to combine with their cams.
I personally use AFR 205 heads. They were installed out of the box, no milling or porting.
2 years ago I was running the TR224 cam (small lift verssion), I was putting down 425rwhp.
Since then, I've upgraded to a cam only slightly more than your F13, that is now putting down 480rwhp.
How about that 12-bolt - how much power do they use as compared to the stock 10-bolt??
I personally use AFR 205 heads. They were installed out of the box, no milling or porting.
2 years ago I was running the TR224 cam (small lift verssion), I was putting down 425rwhp.
Since then, I've upgraded to a cam only slightly more than your F13, that is now putting down 480rwhp.
How about that 12-bolt - how much power do they use as compared to the stock 10-bolt??
I have the same heads except the stage 2.5 version and Im making the numbers in my sig. For reference the car made 440rwhp with an MS3 without the fast 90/90, YT's and UDP. I lost a bit of peak power from swapping to a smaller cam and the built 3.90 but gained 10-15 rwhp and tq throughout the curves.
Dude... something is seriously wrong.
I would venture to guess the heads are garbage.
I know its not the tuning, because Julio (CARTEK) has been tuning my car for the last 6+ years and I have never had a problem.
5 years ago with a 218/222 568 Lift Cam and posted 853's My car made 396HP through the stock 10-Bolt with 3.73's The car also ran 118 MPH in the middle of June
Later after I broke then 10-bolt I got a 12-bolt with 4.11's and the car dyno'd 395HP. So the losses you are talking about don't fly with me. At the time I also had FLP headers which allowed me to change from cats to strait pipes in the matter of minutes. My car loosed 4 HP on the dyno with FLP Cats. Ones again... something doesn't sound right to me. With no cats, the car trapped 122 mph in March.
You have bigger problems then an un-ported LS6 intake! I would take the money u want to spend on a Fast 90/90 and put it toward good heads.
Good Luck!
I would venture to guess the heads are garbage.
I know its not the tuning, because Julio (CARTEK) has been tuning my car for the last 6+ years and I have never had a problem.
5 years ago with a 218/222 568 Lift Cam and posted 853's My car made 396HP through the stock 10-Bolt with 3.73's The car also ran 118 MPH in the middle of June
Later after I broke then 10-bolt I got a 12-bolt with 4.11's and the car dyno'd 395HP. So the losses you are talking about don't fly with me. At the time I also had FLP headers which allowed me to change from cats to strait pipes in the matter of minutes. My car loosed 4 HP on the dyno with FLP Cats. Ones again... something doesn't sound right to me. With no cats, the car trapped 122 mph in March.
You have bigger problems then an un-ported LS6 intake! I would take the money u want to spend on a Fast 90/90 and put it toward good heads.
Good Luck!
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Dude... something is seriously wrong.
I would venture to guess the heads are garbage.
I know its not the tuning, because Julio (CARTEK) has been tuning my car for the last 6+ years and I have never had a problem.
5 years ago with a 218/222 568 Lift Cam and posted 853's My car made 396HP through the stock 10-Bolt with 3.73's The car also ran 118 MPH in the middle of June
Later after I broke then 10-bolt I got a 12-bolt with 4.11's and the car dyno'd 395HP. So the losses you are talking about don't fly with me. At the time I also had FLP headers which allowed me to change from cats to strait pipes in the matter of minutes. My car loosed 4 HP on the dyno with FLP Cats. Ones again... something doesn't sound right to me. With no cats, the car trapped 122 mph in March.
You have bigger problems then an un-ported LS6 intake! I would take the money u want to spend on a Fast 90/90 and put it toward good heads.
Good Luck!
I would venture to guess the heads are garbage.
I know its not the tuning, because Julio (CARTEK) has been tuning my car for the last 6+ years and I have never had a problem.
5 years ago with a 218/222 568 Lift Cam and posted 853's My car made 396HP through the stock 10-Bolt with 3.73's The car also ran 118 MPH in the middle of June
Later after I broke then 10-bolt I got a 12-bolt with 4.11's and the car dyno'd 395HP. So the losses you are talking about don't fly with me. At the time I also had FLP headers which allowed me to change from cats to strait pipes in the matter of minutes. My car loosed 4 HP on the dyno with FLP Cats. Ones again... something doesn't sound right to me. With no cats, the car trapped 122 mph in March.
You have bigger problems then an un-ported LS6 intake! I would take the money u want to spend on a Fast 90/90 and put it toward good heads.
Good Luck!
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Just the electric water pump and underdrive pulley alone will make up for what you would have lost with the 12 bolt and cats....
Something isn't right.. Hopefully you get it figured out.. Sounds like you have a pretty nice car..
Something isn't right.. Hopefully you get it figured out.. Sounds like you have a pretty nice car..
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Launching!
Joined: May 2004
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From: Philly
I don't think my heads are the problem. They're PRC 5.3L (stage 1.5) ported by Texas Speed. Their flow specs give AFRs a run for the money at about half the price, which is why I got them. I was hoping to have an 11 sec car when all was said and done, needless to day I was disappointed when I learned that my car only put down 370 at the wheels with the new mods.
When you say "bottom end", what could be wrong there that is sapping my power? If the bottom is messed up, wouldn't that spell out catastrophic engine failure, more less? I also don't think my 12-bolt is eating up 25 RWHP.
When you say "bottom end", what could be wrong there that is sapping my power? If the bottom is messed up, wouldn't that spell out catastrophic engine failure, more less? I also don't think my 12-bolt is eating up 25 RWHP.
I don't think my heads are the problem. They're PRC 5.3L (stage 1.5) ported by Texas Speed. Their flow specs give AFRs a run for the money at about half the price, which is why I got them. I was hoping to have an 11 sec car when all was said and done, needless to day I was disappointed when I learned that my car only put down 370 at the wheels with the new mods.
When you say "bottom end", what could be wrong there that is sapping my power? If the bottom is messed up, wouldn't that spell out catastrophic engine failure, more less? I also don't think my 12-bolt is eating up 25 RWHP.
When you say "bottom end", what could be wrong there that is sapping my power? If the bottom is messed up, wouldn't that spell out catastrophic engine failure, more less? I also don't think my 12-bolt is eating up 25 RWHP.
