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Old May 28, 2008 | 06:41 PM
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Old May 28, 2008 | 07:04 PM
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Wrong forum.

Fuel prices are not high because of supply and demand, and only about 20% of our imported oil comes from those "unstable" countries. Matter of fact, Canada is our largest "foreign oil" supplier.

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Old May 28, 2008 | 07:43 PM
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Wrong forum.

Fuel prices are not high because of supply and demand, and only about 20% of our imported oil comes from those "unstable" countries. Matter of fact, Canada is our largest "foreign oil" supplier.

Part of our problem is the lack of refineries, hence the cost of production is up, especially on Diesel
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Old May 29, 2008 | 01:16 AM
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and people must remember that the american dollar is half of what the euro dollar is, the dollar is weak. good gas prices are from when the dollar was strong and worth more than the euro dollar and alot of other currencies
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There are many things that are contributing to the higher fuel costs, demand is up world wide on oil, consumer confidence domestically is down, so investors are moving their money out of the US dollar, and into commodities like oil and gold driving their prices up, and the weak dollar because of inflation, is driving up the costs of gas in this country. The dollar is very weak, and is being heavily hedged towards commodities, and that is the main driving factor for the high cost of oil in the US. Also, by 2010-2012, depending on how high oil consumption rises as China, and other developing countries consume oil for growth, we will be reaching peak production, which is when half of the world's oil supply is used up...basically consider this point in time the end of our civilization as we know it because energy costs will go through the roof...anyone ready for 300-400 dollars a barrel for oil? I will when I'm invested in it =D Just make sure you get into it when the high oil costs collapses in the near future, or else you'll lose a good bundle of cash. Also, get into Green technologies after the oil crunch collapses, or else just short it.

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Demand for oil is only up marginally, demand for gas is actually lower because the major consumers have become more efficient over the past several years. The main drivers for higher prices are speculators and the weaker dollar. If we address the speculators, we will see a major impact on both the price per barrel and the value of the dollar since an improvement in the overall economic situation due to improved fuel prices will strengthen dollar.
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Originally Posted by DaddySS
Demand for oil is only up marginally, demand for gas is actually lower because the major consumers have become more efficient over the past several years. The main drivers for higher prices are speculators and the weaker dollar. If we address the speculators, we will see a major impact on both the price per barrel and the value of the dollar since an improvement in the overall economic situation due to improved fuel prices will strengthen dollar.
Amen!
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Originally Posted by DaddySS
Demand for oil is only up marginally, demand for gas is actually lower because the major consumers have become more efficient over the past several years. The main drivers for higher prices are speculators and the weaker dollar. If we address the speculators, we will see a major impact on both the price per barrel and the value of the dollar since an improvement in the overall economic situation due to improved fuel prices will strengthen dollar.
Exactly, sounds like this guy has a clue as to what works and doesn't.
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Old May 29, 2008 | 04:32 AM
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Originally Posted by DaddySS
Demand for oil is only up marginally, demand for gas is actually lower because the major consumers have become more efficient over the past several years. The main drivers for higher prices are speculators and the weaker dollar. If we address the speculators, we will see a major impact on both the price per barrel and the value of the dollar since an improvement in the overall economic situation due to improved fuel prices will strengthen dollar.
Address the speculators? Yeah, right. Trading commodities is legal and international, what exactly do you want to do about trading in commodities? Say, "pretty please?"
Prices are STILL a direct reflection of supply and demand.
Consumption of oil worldwide is at a record high, driven by developing Asian economies and lack of refineries. OPEC nations are maintaining production at current levels to keep barrel prices high. Increase output by oil supplying nations and you lower traded cost.
At least no one is crying about the "Evil Oil Companies."
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Old May 29, 2008 | 10:23 AM
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Thank you Chief, demand worldwide is at record highs, its not just a domestic thing. There are many things that are contributing to the increased fuel prices...

Demand WORLDWIDE is rising while supply remains constant
Oil and gold being hedged against the dollar
weak economy with low consumer confidence creating the weak dollar

If you want to see something really interesting, check out ticker symbol "O" those who know what they're doing will see something pretty amazing haha...
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Old May 29, 2008 | 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by DaddySS
Wrong forum.

Fuel prices are not high because of supply and demand, and only about 20% of our imported oil comes from those "unstable" countries. Matter of fact, Canada is our largest "foreign oil" supplier.

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Old May 29, 2008 | 11:52 AM
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Also, by 2010-2012, depending on how high oil consumption rises as China, and other developing countries consume oil for growth, we will be reaching peak production, which is when half of the world's oil supply is used up...
How does anyone know that it is half? This assumes we have found all the oil available.
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Old May 29, 2008 | 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by DaddySS
Demand for oil is only up marginally, demand for gas is actually lower because the major consumers have become more efficient over the past several years. The main drivers for higher prices are speculators and the weaker dollar. If we address the speculators, we will see a major impact on both the price per barrel and the value of the dollar since an improvement in the overall economic situation due to improved fuel prices will strengthen dollar.
some think speculators account for about an extra 20-40 dollars/barrell of oil.
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Old May 29, 2008 | 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Chief Z
Address the speculators? Yeah, right. Trading commodities is legal and international, what exactly do you want to do about trading in commodities? Say, "pretty please?"
Prices are STILL a direct reflection of supply and demand.
Consumption of oil worldwide is at a record high, driven by developing Asian economies and lack of refineries. OPEC nations are maintaining production at current levels to keep barrel prices high. Increase output by oil supplying nations and you lower traded cost.
At least no one is crying about the "Evil Oil Companies."
Consumption is increasing by about 2% annually

OPEC only accounts for about 25% of supply

I see no evidence of lack of refinery capacity

Speculators or driving the price up because the hedge funds are buying and they know oil companies will pay - after all they make their percentage irrespective of price - thus the record profits.

Europe is looking to pass laws right now to stop the speculators.
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Old May 29, 2008 | 09:29 PM
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Your missing the real problem,,,,,,oils not costing more the dollar is worth less
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Old May 29, 2008 | 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Chief Z
Address the speculators? Yeah, right. Trading commodities is legal and international, what exactly do you want to do about trading in commodities? Say, "pretty please?"
Prices are STILL a direct reflection of supply and demand.
Consumption of oil worldwide is at a record high, driven by developing Asian economies and lack of refineries. OPEC nations are maintaining production at current levels to keep barrel prices high. Increase output by oil supplying nations and you lower traded cost.
At least no one is crying about the "Evil Oil Companies."
Bingo - global demand is up for oil, end of story. There are some speculators, but they are not to blame for the tremendous increase in price.

There is a huge demand, and industry cannot find and refine enough to meet demand. Simple as that.
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Old May 29, 2008 | 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by 1966goat
Your missing the real problem,,,,,,oils not costing more the dollar is worth less
Both are the problem. The dollar is worth less (adding a bit to the increase) but the fundamental economics of supply and demand are what is driving up the price of oil.

For those really interested, surprisingly the gasoline component of oil is not the major driver in price anymore - what really is kicking into effect is the demand for diesel, kerosene, heating oil...the middle distillates. Blame developing countries.
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Originally Posted by 99ssleeper
How does anyone know that it is half? This assumes we have found all the oil available.
Simply put, Science is awesome. Google it if you'd like...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peak_oil
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