v8maro

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The track was horrible, a stock ss ran 14.5's, hell, other modded ls1's were high 13's/low 14's, I think i'm in line where I should be.
As for the tune, I picked up 25rwhp from it, I think that speaks for itself, I was there when they tuned it.
I think a big problem is that I really dont drag race it much, and suck at it *shrugs*

MyLS1Hauls

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V8maro--Milan dragway blows. I was there the week after Top Fuelers and I still couldnt hook. Ran a 12.8 with a shitty 60' on Nittos. Mid-Michigan Motorplex in Stanton is the best track in the state. I personally dont get hung up on track times. Get some headers and hit a good track on a 60* day and you'll run some good times. I am suprised by your mph, but I'll vouch that Milan sucks. I hate it there how you have to drive straight through the water to get on the track. At least the Lapeer track you have to back into the water.

ezss

If you arent getting traction, MPH really doenst mean anything. I one time ran on street tires and nearly hit the wall, and got a 17.11 @ 105 mph. I have seen people pick up 5mph from one driver to another, just on shifting.

1BADWS6@STENOD

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If you get the headers and the intake your car will be be putting down some very good numbers! I had a similar sized cam, Katech heads, Mac headers and a LS1 intake through a 9" and put down 362rwhp/350rwtq at APE. I ran a best of <a href="mailto:12.17@112">12.17@112</a> with this combo. I put on Grott longtubes and LS6 intake and the car put down 397rwhp/386rwtq and ran <a href="mailto:11.65@118.">12.17@112">12.17@112</a> with this combo. I put on Grott longtubes and LS6 intake and the car put down 397rwhp/386rwtq and ran <a href="mailto:11.65@118.</a> So I would think that if i gained 35rwhp and 36rwtq by just adding better headers and a LS6 intake then you should see some very good gains when you get rid of the stock manifolds.
As for as Milan, it does suck but it's not that bad. I ran 11.70's earlier this summer and was cutting mid-high 1.6 60ft.s

offaxis

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ok then his ets dont mean anything and his mph doesnt mean anything. Oh yea his dyno #`s dont matter either. Lets start again... He owns a car. It goes 13`s@107mph and dynos 345 with a big cam and some stage 2 heads. Now we know his track sux and his exhaust and intake arent any good also. So lets wait for more mods and a better track day to make any judgements. That seems fair to me. I was not trying to slam him or his car I was just thinking something has to be wrong with the picture at this point. If you are happy with the performance god bless ya man. Not everyone has the same goals in mind when droping down a couple grand in mods. I think you need to do the exhaust and intake before you will see the full power from a heads and cam package.

Like I said keep us updated and good luck

mobius

sorry man you are running those times and mph. i havent seen one good time/dyno with patriots yet...

BP00RedZ

My PP Stg 2 5.3s were delivered last week but I am waiting to do rods and pistons at the same time I do the heads so I can spray it. I'm hoping for around 415-425rwhp and 380-390 rwtq and low 12's or high 11's. I'll post results when I get them.

gomer

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WTF are you talking about? I don't want to hi-jack V8's thread but uneducated comments like that bother me. I dyno'd 403rwhp with a STOCK TUNE, STOCK THROTTLE BODY, STOCK MAF, NO UNDERDRIVE PULLEY, and THRU THE EXHAUST. On a damn TR220 cam!! Since then I have added ASP pulley, Thunder racing TB, Yella Terra rockers, Cutout, and Ported MAF ends.. surely that will pick up 10 to 15 rwhp.. so that may put me at 420rwhp on a STOCK TUNE with a TR220 (to be verified at Bama Mafia dyno day Aug 30). Now, let me ask you... are you educated yet? Sorry if you take this the wrong way... but the freaking heads haven't been out long enough for very many people to install them yet. The ONLY reason V8maro's dyno is low is because he is running COMPLETELY STOCK EXHAUST including manifolds and a LS1 intake.... ok.. I feel better now.

Hannibal

Not worried here. UNTUNED and short shifting, I have already gotten an 01 H/C WS6 (not sure what package he was running) from a 15 mph roll - good run, but steady gain. Gave him the jump and ran him down and went by. Had a good 1-2 cars on him by early 4th (picked up most ground in 3rd and 4th).

Have also ran an 02 Z06 from a 10mph (rolled out of a stop light then hammered it - again giving him the jump). Vette had induction mods/TPIS LT headers/3.90 gears and tuning. Put 2-3 solid cars on it by middle of fourth and shut her down around 115-120 mph. I know that Vette is an 11-second ride (its my dads) - and going from a roll eliminated the whole "launch" where time can be made up easily.

So, my guess is that I am sitting somewhere in the high-11 sec range untuned.

I am also a full bolt-on 2001 SS w. 4.30 gears. I would venture to say that my car puts down some power.

Point being - it appears that I am one of the only cars with these heads CURRENTLY on who is running a car with full bolt-ons airing on the side of drag racing. I also am experienced when it comes to driving, racing, etc which should help translate into some of the lower ET's people are looking for. Remember, not everyone running other heads are putting down 430-440 RWHP and not all of them are running 11.2-11.4's at 120+ mph. It takes a combination of AT LEAST 4 things - good track prep, good weather, all boltons for max HP and a good driver. So far - at a maximum - not one person has had more then 1 of these requirements available to them.

Iv_z28

The only thing I would say is that if I were a marketing guy for PP, I wouldn't use those partucular track #'s for advertisement purposes. Let's just say the results are inconclusive...

DrkPhx

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I did some calculations based on existing correction factors. While they are not 100% accurate they can give you a better idea of what the car will run in better weather.

1) 60-ft is 2.24 I've seen M6's run 2.00's on street tires. So right there you are leaving some ET on the table. An acceptable formula is for every 1/10 in the 60-ft can equal .15 in the 1/4 mile ET.

so....... .24 x 1.5 = 13.24 ET

2) Weather - I found a website that shows the weather in Milan, MI yesterday at 80 degrees with hhumidity at 59%. This calculates to a corrected elevation of 3370-feet(ok to round to 3400).

4) NHRA correction factor - using the NHRA apporved correction for 3400 ft of .9588 and multply it by the ET of 13.24 = 12.69.

Hopefully this will give a more accurate ET potential of your car.

Iv_z28

Hm... Good estimate. I did the same calculations for my winter times just out of curiosity - here in AZ southwestern int. raceway.
'99 M6 z28, directflow lid+FTRA, muffler, free mods, factory size potenza's RE730, no spare&amp;jack, 1/4 tank of gas
13.38&amp;107, altitude 3075', DA ~3300 if I remember correctly.. 2.08 60'
calculation... -0.08*1.5 -> ET=13.26 - NHRA correction x0.9601 -> ET=12.73...

98TAauto

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Will, beating that car from a roll dont mean squat. Ive had a 01 bolt on TA hang right beside me and he only runs 12.8's when i was running 11.9
hehhhhehehehe

Larry01z28 flat out dogged the hell outta me from a 60 roll and he was bolt on only and I had a cam.

but guys are lookin for everyone reason to bash these new heads and these ET's arent helping one bit. Ive seen guys with TEA, GTP, and all other makes of heads run 12-13's cause they cant hook or drive worth crap.

But still it seems like even on a 2.2 60' the car should be runnin mid 12's at say 112 maybe!!!! But i dunno, its to many factors that play a part in this. Its just like 450hp dyno cars running mid 11's, while 345-360 ones run low 11's. Its all about the SETUP, driver, weather, and track!

VSGLS1

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I will be on a dyno tomorrow afternoon hammering on some fuel/ignition tuning to see what I can get.

mike m

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ok dude go and buy some headers and tires.

hey gomer do you have a steel flywheel??

bodhi

That seems really low. I ran 13.245 @ 108.7 mph at HRP with a 2.58 60ft BONE stock in 90 degree Texas weather.
Now with cam and boltons (stock rear) I ran a 12.6 @ 118~mph with a 2.2 60ft.

mobius

Hey Gomer, go **** yourself (sorry thats the best i can do being so uneducated). big deal you dynoed 403 i know first hand about patriot heads and how they perform, or should i say how they dont. so you dynoed 403 is that something special there are plenty of cam only cars right in that neighborhood. so untuned no throttle body whatever. even if you have one car that performs ok there are plenty that dont. and yes heads are not the only factor, but so far i cannot say they are doing well. if you dont have cracked springs or bent valves with them, consider yourself lucky.

gomer

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Yes I have the SPEC billet steel flywheel.

gomer

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Hey Gomer, go **** yourself (sorry thats the best i can do being so uneducated). big deal you dynoed 403 i know first hand about patriot heads and how they perform, or should i say how they dont. so you dynoed 403 is that something special there are plenty of cam only cars right in that neighborhood. so untuned no throttle body whatever. even if you have one car that performs ok there are plenty that dont. and yes heads are not the only factor, but so far i cannot say they are doing well. if you dont have cracked springs or bent valves with them, consider yourself lucky.

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Maybe you just misread my post where is says I'm running a TR220 cam.. not a TR230. So yeah.. .I think it's a really big deal I dyno'd 403. If you find anyone else making 400+ rwhp with a 220 duration cam.. please let me know about it.

I just stated the facts of my combo and my results that's all, you haven't brought anything to this discussion but negativity.. back it up with facts.

I'd really like to know your "firsthand" experience with Patriot heads and why you bash them so hard. How about some facts? Patriot is a sponsor on this board and if you have unresolved quality issues or customer service problems, they need to be addressed, but you have to present them first. The mods here will lay the smack down on sponsors that don't take care of customers. Btw.. I am a VERY happy customer

Iv_z28

Yeah, 400+ rwhp is great. I thing PP's are great too and I'm actually thinking may be it's my time... + the treatment of valve problem was very good IMO and it's not like somebody trashed the engine with them.
Why don't you go trash ARE, I think they did much worse in the past.

PP just need a good representation at the track.