Is the performance difference of AFR 205 worth the money over PRC LS6 Stage 2.5s?
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I agree with you on that. Definately NOT worth the extra 1100. I have an PRC/FAST C5 coupe and ran a buddy in his C5Z with AFR/FAST pulled me by a car to 160. He was lighter and better gearing than me and made 10rwhp more than me, he can have his 1 car win while I keep my extra $1100 in my pocket.
But I wasn't comparing the heads, I was just wondering if the price difference was worth it. And by the post above, it looks like the PRC/Fast set-up would be better for me if I was just going H/C.
My long term goal is to end up with a mild nitrous set up so maybe the AFR/LS6 will be better suited for a 150 shot. I guess I should have mentioned that in my original post.
From what I gather, the AFR heads and LS6 intake are a little heftier (Isn't the FAST intake made of plastic?) so they're better for nitrous (I might wrong, just stuff I read somewhere)
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The AFR's have consistently made fantastic power and are an aftermarket casting, not a ported factory casting, which should have longevity benefits. Most told me the same, if you can at all swing the extra money, get the AFRs. I just bought the least expensive aftermarket casting head.
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PRC's and 90/90 here.
Maybe I am wrong or nitpicking but I did H/C intake all at once and had a chance to pick up this 90/90 used for a good deal so I sold the LS6 I had waiting to go on and picked up the 90/90. I really thought it would push me into the 430rwhp area but instead I made about what I expected with the LS6 IM. I think it (90/90) really shines on the bigger cube motors or the max build 346's but on a milder car like mine I think the LS6 may be a better bang for buck. Also who knows, another day or another dyno I may make 430+. I am still working out some driveline issues and now need new tires before the DR's go on so I don't have any track times yet. Maybe fuel rails and 36#ers would have helped me out too?? Just my .02
Maybe I am wrong or nitpicking but I did H/C intake all at once and had a chance to pick up this 90/90 used for a good deal so I sold the LS6 I had waiting to go on and picked up the 90/90. I really thought it would push me into the 430rwhp area but instead I made about what I expected with the LS6 IM. I think it (90/90) really shines on the bigger cube motors or the max build 346's but on a milder car like mine I think the LS6 may be a better bang for buck. Also who knows, another day or another dyno I may make 430+. I am still working out some driveline issues and now need new tires before the DR's go on so I don't have any track times yet. Maybe fuel rails and 36#ers would have helped me out too?? Just my .02
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I'm an A4 with a similar sized cam with tsp stage 2.5 5.3 heads and put down 435rwhp 407rwt
mods are: Tsp 5.3 heads,pat g custom 232/238 6xx 6xx 111+2lsa,ported fast 90/90, TCi ssf 3500stall,hedman lt headers/ory,dynomouth
hope this helps,or gives you an idea what you will get with tsp heads,and the size cam you have
mods are: Tsp 5.3 heads,pat g custom 232/238 6xx 6xx 111+2lsa,ported fast 90/90, TCi ssf 3500stall,hedman lt headers/ory,dynomouth
hope this helps,or gives you an idea what you will get with tsp heads,and the size cam you have
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There's no disputing that the AFR 205's will perform better than the PRC "as cast" heads. At the end of the day, what matters the most is what you're looking to accomplish with your car.
That being said, I went with the PRC Stage 2.5 5.3L heads milled down to 60 cc. I saved a little over $1,100 with this setup (vs. the AFR's) and then I used the cash for my N2O kit. In this case, going with a budget head provided the N/A performance I was looking for (440 rwhp and 408 rwtq with a mild cam) and it gave me a N2O setup that should be good to knock almost a full second off my 1/4 mile times at the track.
At the end of the day, I'm glad I didn't spend the extra $1,100 for an extra 10 - 20 rwhp from a head swap.
That being said, I went with the PRC Stage 2.5 5.3L heads milled down to 60 cc. I saved a little over $1,100 with this setup (vs. the AFR's) and then I used the cash for my N2O kit. In this case, going with a budget head provided the N/A performance I was looking for (440 rwhp and 408 rwtq with a mild cam) and it gave me a N2O setup that should be good to knock almost a full second off my 1/4 mile times at the track.
At the end of the day, I'm glad I didn't spend the extra $1,100 for an extra 10 - 20 rwhp from a head swap.
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i put 456 down with prc ls6 2.5's. they are milled to 59cc with the ms4, hooker long tubes, non-ported f.a.s.t.90 setup and elec. water pump . car is a 6 speed with a strange 12 bolt.
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AFR was worth the money to me. There is no way I would have made the kinda power I did with any other head.
You don't mean 436whp do you?
Originally Posted by matt1289
AFR was worth the money to me. There is no way I would have made the kinda power I did with any other head.
You don't mean 436whp do you?
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I don't know about a similar cam, most people don't run cams that small. But 440 whp wouldn't be hard to attain with some ported factory castings. The torque is impressive though, I'll give you that.
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Keep in mind you are not only paying more for a head that can make considerably more power but also quality .Look at a PRC or whatever budget head and then an AFR or ET head.The difference is obvious and you will understand why good heads are not in the 1k range.
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I doubt that, its not every car that can make that kind of hp. You are saying i could pick up another 25hp from an AFR or TFS head. You sure talk a lot of **** on stock casting heads when you have some of your own. Why don't you have AFR heads? I know I dont because they cost $2300! 475 hp vouches for itself, ive seen many AFR headed cars make much less.