Generation III Internal Engine 1997-2006 LS1 | LS6
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Is the performance difference of AFR 205 worth the money over PRC LS6 Stage 2.5s?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 07-28-2008, 05:54 PM
  #21  
11 Second Club
Thread Starter
 
Local-heretic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 147
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by c5_ls1_6spd
I agree with you on that. Definately NOT worth the extra 1100. I have an PRC/FAST C5 coupe and ran a buddy in his C5Z with AFR/FAST pulled me by a car to 160. He was lighter and better gearing than me and made 10rwhp more than me, he can have his 1 car win while I keep my extra $1100 in my pocket.
Thanks everyone for your input.

But I wasn't comparing the heads, I was just wondering if the price difference was worth it. And by the post above, it looks like the PRC/Fast set-up would be better for me if I was just going H/C.

My long term goal is to end up with a mild nitrous set up so maybe the AFR/LS6 will be better suited for a 150 shot. I guess I should have mentioned that in my original post.

From what I gather, the AFR heads and LS6 intake are a little heftier (Isn't the FAST intake made of plastic?) so they're better for nitrous (I might wrong, just stuff I read somewhere)
Old 07-28-2008, 06:39 PM
  #22  
TECH Addict
iTrader: (5)
 
Redlinez's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Fuquay-Varina, NC
Posts: 2,298
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

The AFR's have consistently made fantastic power and are an aftermarket casting, not a ported factory casting, which should have longevity benefits. Most told me the same, if you can at all swing the extra money, get the AFRs. I just bought the least expensive aftermarket casting head.
Old 07-28-2008, 07:36 PM
  #23  
TECH Apprentice
 
matt1289's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Canton, GA
Posts: 369
Likes: 0
Received 14 Likes on 12 Posts

Default

AFR was worth the money to me. There is no way I would have made the kinda power I did with any other head.
Old 07-28-2008, 09:55 PM
  #24  
TECH Senior Member
iTrader: (8)
 
SOMbitch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 6,881
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

PRC's and 90/90 here.

Maybe I am wrong or nitpicking but I did H/C intake all at once and had a chance to pick up this 90/90 used for a good deal so I sold the LS6 I had waiting to go on and picked up the 90/90. I really thought it would push me into the 430rwhp area but instead I made about what I expected with the LS6 IM. I think it (90/90) really shines on the bigger cube motors or the max build 346's but on a milder car like mine I think the LS6 may be a better bang for buck. Also who knows, another day or another dyno I may make 430+. I am still working out some driveline issues and now need new tires before the DR's go on so I don't have any track times yet. Maybe fuel rails and 36#ers would have helped me out too?? Just my .02

Last edited by SOMbitch; 07-29-2008 at 08:40 PM.
Old 07-29-2008, 08:46 AM
  #25  
Banned
iTrader: (-1)
 
c5_ls1_6spd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 800
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

im making high 4XX rwhp with PRC LS6 heads

Last edited by c5_ls1_6spd; 07-29-2008 at 01:43 PM.
Old 07-29-2008, 09:46 AM
  #26  
TECH Enthusiast
iTrader: (4)
 
rocksws6's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 552
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by matt1289
AFR was worth the money to me. There is no way I would have made the kinda power I did with any other head.
You don't mean 436whp do you?
Old 07-29-2008, 10:57 AM
  #27  
TECH Fanatic
iTrader: (17)
 
john563's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: dayton ohio
Posts: 1,638
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

I'm an A4 with a similar sized cam with tsp stage 2.5 5.3 heads and put down 435rwhp 407rwt
mods are: Tsp 5.3 heads,pat g custom 232/238 6xx 6xx 111+2lsa,ported fast 90/90, TCi ssf 3500stall,hedman lt headers/ory,dynomouth

hope this helps,or gives you an idea what you will get with tsp heads,and the size cam you have
Old 07-29-2008, 10:59 AM
  #28  
TECH Senior Member
iTrader: (5)
 
TXZ28LS1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Classified
Posts: 6,164
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post

Default

it is really tough to beat the TSP PRC heads for the price!! been eyein those 5.3 heads as well.
Old 07-29-2008, 11:44 AM
  #29  
TECH Fanatic
iTrader: (8)
 
Midnight02's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 1,620
Likes: 0
Received 6 Likes on 5 Posts

Default

There's no disputing that the AFR 205's will perform better than the PRC "as cast" heads. At the end of the day, what matters the most is what you're looking to accomplish with your car.

That being said, I went with the PRC Stage 2.5 5.3L heads milled down to 60 cc. I saved a little over $1,100 with this setup (vs. the AFR's) and then I used the cash for my N2O kit. In this case, going with a budget head provided the N/A performance I was looking for (440 rwhp and 408 rwtq with a mild cam) and it gave me a N2O setup that should be good to knock almost a full second off my 1/4 mile times at the track.

At the end of the day, I'm glad I didn't spend the extra $1,100 for an extra 10 - 20 rwhp from a head swap.
Old 07-29-2008, 04:04 PM
  #30  
11 Second Club
iTrader: (45)
 
ss2000's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: penna.
Posts: 336
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

i put 456 down with prc ls6 2.5's. they are milled to 59cc with the ms4, hooker long tubes, non-ported f.a.s.t.90 setup and elec. water pump . car is a 6 speed with a strange 12 bolt.
Old 07-29-2008, 04:27 PM
  #31  
Launching!
iTrader: (1)
 
red_ryderSS's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: San Jose, Ca
Posts: 237
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

To the OP, what kind of numbers, track times, and driveability are you looking for.
Old 07-29-2008, 05:50 PM
  #32  
TECH Apprentice
 
matt1289's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Canton, GA
Posts: 369
Likes: 0
Received 14 Likes on 12 Posts

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by matt1289
AFR was worth the money to me. There is no way I would have made the kinda power I did with any other head.

You don't mean 436whp do you?
Make 436hp and 430 torque with another head and a cam the size I have. If you are going to say some heads with a fast 90 or 92 set-up I will be adding that at some point as well.
Old 07-29-2008, 10:15 PM
  #33  
TECH Addict
iTrader: (4)
 
ShevrolayZ28's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 2,318
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post

Default

I think money is well spent when it comes to heads. I have AFRs and have no regrets but if I were to do it again I would consider giving TFS a try.
Old 07-29-2008, 10:31 PM
  #34  
TECH Enthusiast
iTrader: (4)
 
rocksws6's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 552
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by matt1289
Make 436hp and 430 torque with another head and a cam the size I have. If you are going to say some heads with a fast 90 or 92 set-up I will be adding that at some point as well.
I don't know about a similar cam, most people don't run cams that small. But 440 whp wouldn't be hard to attain with some ported factory castings. The torque is impressive though, I'll give you that.
Old 07-29-2008, 10:56 PM
  #35  
TECH Apprentice
iTrader: (8)
 
AaronR's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 362
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Keep in mind you are not only paying more for a head that can make considerably more power but also quality .Look at a PRC or whatever budget head and then an AFR or ET head.The difference is obvious and you will understand why good heads are not in the 1k range.
Old 07-29-2008, 11:13 PM
  #36  
Banned
iTrader: (1)
 
Paint_It_Black's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Chi-town West Burbs
Posts: 1,044
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Originally Posted by AaronR
Keep in mind you are not only paying more for a head that can make considerably more power but also quality .Look at a PRC or whatever budget head and then an AFR or ET head.The difference is obvious and you will understand why good heads are not in the 1k range.

Exactly, you cannot produce as high of a quality head for so cheap. The time and tooling it takes to port a head is substantial. These things cost a lot of money.

As a wise man once said, "I'd rather not lose money on every sale but make it up in volume."
Old 07-29-2008, 11:20 PM
  #37  
TECH Apprentice
iTrader: (1)
 
KingSS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Big Terrible Texas
Posts: 395
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Im making 475 rwhp with my tsp 5.3l heads, not too bad for $1200.
Old 07-29-2008, 11:32 PM
  #38  
Banned
iTrader: (1)
 
Paint_It_Black's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Chi-town West Burbs
Posts: 1,044
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Originally Posted by KingSS
Im making 475 rwhp with my tsp 5.3l heads, not too bad for $1200.
Then maybe you'd be making 500+ with a better set of heads?
Old 07-30-2008, 12:33 AM
  #39  
TECH Apprentice
iTrader: (1)
 
KingSS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Big Terrible Texas
Posts: 395
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

I doubt that, its not every car that can make that kind of hp. You are saying i could pick up another 25hp from an AFR or TFS head. You sure talk a lot of **** on stock casting heads when you have some of your own. Why don't you have AFR heads? I know I dont because they cost $2300! 475 hp vouches for itself, ive seen many AFR headed cars make much less.
Old 07-30-2008, 12:34 AM
  #40  
TECH Apprentice
iTrader: (1)
 
KingSS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Big Terrible Texas
Posts: 395
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

My car also a daily driven pump gas car, no milling done on the heads with stock GM MLS head gaskets.



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:59 AM.