NOT GOOD PART 2 - IS TITANIUM REALLY THAT STRONG? Beware 56k
09-08-2003, 07:55 PM
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Re: NOT GOOD PART 2 - IS TITANIUM REALLY THAT STRONG? Beware 56k
DriveATransAm: I only lost compression in one cylinder, #7, like shown. All of the other cyl's have compression. Yes, the retainers and springs are being changed.
offaxis: comp 978's
mike m: yes these are the springs with the clearance problems, hence the tore up Ti retainers. Yes, Terry is standing behind them 100%, it's just unfortunate that this has happened.
PSJ: It's smaller than the G5X-2...
-Steve
offaxis: comp 978's
mike m: yes these are the springs with the clearance problems, hence the tore up Ti retainers. Yes, Terry is standing behind them 100%, it's just unfortunate that this has happened.
PSJ: It's smaller than the G5X-2...
-Steve
09-08-2003, 07:57 PM
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Re: NOT GOOD PART 2 - IS TITANIUM REALLY THAT STRONG? Beware 56k
I have those springs on my car but my titanium retainers arent all chewed up . Why would there be any clearence problem with these springs? I run the stock rockers also . Any info would be greatly appriciated
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09-08-2003, 08:01 PM
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Re: NOT GOOD PART 2 - IS TITANIUM REALLY THAT STRONG? Beware 56k I "Patriot" do not make the springs,we buy them like everyone else.I have spoken with Steve,I will help him get past this problem.
09-08-2003, 08:40 PM
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Re: NOT GOOD PART 2 - IS TITANIUM REALLY THAT STRONG? Beware 56k
so are the springs 978's? made by comp cams?
09-08-2003, 09:22 PM
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so are the springs 978's? made by comp cams?
09-08-2003, 10:38 PM
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Re: NOT GOOD PART 2 - IS TITANIUM REALLY THAT STRONG? Beware 56k
hey if this hurt your motor is patriot going to cut you a check? or is he just going to fix the head? did they know the size of the cam you were using?
if these springs that everyone has with the clearance issues are going to start breaking, is patriot going to send them all new springs too. this seems like a big pain in the ***, i hope the poor guys who went out and bought yella terras dont wind up breaking springs after spending all that money.
What do the yella's ahve to do with this? They probably will fix any problems.
-Steve
09-08-2003, 10:46 PM
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Re: NOT GOOD PART 2 - IS TITANIUM REALLY THAT STRONG? Beware 56k The springs are made by Comp, they are Comp 978's, they came with the heads, terry simply installs them, not makes them.
offaxis: with different heads, maybe yours have a different installed height?
HeritageLS1: A broken spring on my car didn't sound like anything out of the ordinary! For me, it just studdered and shook at low rpm's, 1k->2k on all upshifts, the inner spring could not return the valve all the way with the large outer spring binded around.
JF WS6 is 100% right, comp is not going to warrant these springs since they were not installed correctly on my car. They were not clearanced and did not perform under the normal stress that they should have been put through.
New question: If I change my springs and then do a comp test on the 'broken' piston has good comp, should I still pull the head to cheak to see if I have any other issues? It looks to me like I broke a spring, and the inner spring saved the motor from becoming a paperweight.
What other issues can I be looking at here from a broken spring?
thanks
-Steve
offaxis: with different heads, maybe yours have a different installed height?
HeritageLS1: A broken spring on my car didn't sound like anything out of the ordinary! For me, it just studdered and shook at low rpm's, 1k->2k on all upshifts, the inner spring could not return the valve all the way with the large outer spring binded around.
JF WS6 is 100% right, comp is not going to warrant these springs since they were not installed correctly on my car. They were not clearanced and did not perform under the normal stress that they should have been put through.
New question: If I change my springs and then do a comp test on the 'broken' piston has good comp, should I still pull the head to cheak to see if I have any other issues? It looks to me like I broke a spring, and the inner spring saved the motor from becoming a paperweight.
What other issues can I be looking at here from a broken spring?
thanks
-Steve
09-08-2003, 10:48 PM
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Re: NOT GOOD PART 2 - IS TITANIUM REALLY THAT STRONG? Beware 56k
My retainers look like that. What does a broken spring sound like?
09-08-2003, 11:28 PM
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Re: NOT GOOD PART 2 - IS TITANIUM REALLY THAT STRONG? Beware 56k
I knew you had a broken spring, 
09-09-2003, 11:20 AM
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Re: NOT GOOD PART 2 - IS TITANIUM REALLY THAT STRONG? Beware 56k If the rocker arm isnt clearenced and is resting on the retainer the valve wont close all the way. Clearence those rocker arms then check compression again, that will fix it unless the spring is broken.
09-09-2003, 11:29 AM
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Re: NOT GOOD PART 2 - IS TITANIUM REALLY THAT STRONG? Beware 56k The spring is broken, and I am getting new stock diameter springs so I wont have to clear the rockers.
-Steve
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09-09-2003, 02:34 PM
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Re: NOT GOOD PART 2 - IS TITANIUM REALLY THAT STRONG? Beware 56k Hannibal, why didnt you change ratainers too? YTs are clearence there so if you bought new retainers they would get chewed up
09-09-2003, 03:01 PM
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Re: NOT GOOD PART 2 - IS TITANIUM REALLY THAT STRONG? Beware 56k If I was gonna pop the retainers off, I could have just as easily change the springs and didnt have the time to mess with it at this point. And I am under the assumption that once I installed the YT's - I wouldnt have to worry about the clearance issues anymore and the "chewing up" would cease.
I did change the oil though after the YT install just to make sure nothing was floating around in the motor. Everything looked clean.
I did change the oil though after the YT install just to make sure nothing was floating around in the motor. Everything looked clean.