CAM for roll racing ms4,trex etc...
10-08-2008, 02:12 PM
#41
how is that any kind of comparision!? LMAO
your comparing your truck with HEADS and other mods vs a CAR with diff mods and a ms4 cam no heads..ls1 heads. thats a horrible combo. I find it funny people who put big cams on stock heads that dont flow, thats a bad combo.
you need a MATCHING cam to matching heads. Got heads that flow big then you can run a bigger cam, simple as that and you will see big benefits at the end.
your comparing your truck with HEADS and other mods vs a CAR with diff mods and a ms4 cam no heads..ls1 heads. thats a horrible combo. I find it funny people who put big cams on stock heads that dont flow, thats a bad combo.
you need a MATCHING cam to matching heads. Got heads that flow big then you can run a bigger cam, simple as that and you will see big benefits at the end.
10-08-2008, 03:00 PM
#42
Most people would call it a budget.. Most of us have one. Heads double the cost of the build or more.
10-08-2008, 03:38 PM
#44
Heads are great.. again its a budget issue and for what you pay for them.. they arent worth it to most. And cheap heads.. are rarely good heads
10-08-2008, 03:50 PM
#45
if you are.. my car is in pieces right now. im about to get the last 3 head bolts off so i can get the springs out and put my prc ls6s on..... if it was me.. you shouldnt be assuming stuff..
btw, that dyno dynos around 20-30 hp low..
10-08-2008, 03:54 PM
#46
Oh and to the guy that does every type of racing in his MS4 only car good for you, I'm glad you like to lose mid range during auto x. Do a cam swap and watch your times drop considerably. Have you owned anything other than an MS4? It's time to get the ***** off your chin buddy.
Thats really funny cause in my 4500lbs 4wd brick I put bus lengths on my buddys T/A. He has an LS6 intake, lid, full exhaust and the end all be all MS4. See my mods in sig. Pick an MPH and ill pull 4-5 cars, in fact at a 70 roll I'll pull 5-6 cars all the way to 130. With the bottle it's like 8-9 cars.
Oh CraZee06 congrats on being the post ***** of the day!!!!
Oh CraZee06 congrats on being the post ***** of the day!!!!
i PROMISE you wouldnt put ANY lengths on me.. it would be reversed and add a few more busses..
10-08-2008, 03:59 PM
#47
http://s230.photobucket.com/albums/e...t=DSCI0177.flv
ok there is DEFINATELY somthing wrong with his car...
cam only before my heads i was at 11.5.. and i still have a lot of weight to take out.. that was not tuned for my gears or my intake.. and it was 82 degrees out.. if i had my tune and it was 50 degrees it would have been a 11.2-11.3 pass.....
either way that a full second faster..
after my heads go one im expecting a 10.8-11.00 in the right weather with a little more weight reduction and a bigger converter
ok there is DEFINATELY somthing wrong with his car...
cam only before my heads i was at 11.5.. and i still have a lot of weight to take out.. that was not tuned for my gears or my intake.. and it was 82 degrees out.. if i had my tune and it was 50 degrees it would have been a 11.2-11.3 pass.....
either way that a full second faster..
after my heads go one im expecting a 10.8-11.00 in the right weather with a little more weight reduction and a bigger converter
10-08-2008, 04:48 PM
#48
In reference too your question if my remark was about you using fast intake stock heads and a MS4 cam
there were no assumptions you posted this less than 24hrs ago, on page 2 of this thread
You tell me not to assume about your setup as far as having non-stock heads yet this is posted in this same thread, besides I was just giving you **** from our other thread. The thing that bothers me is that so many people put on the fast intake with stock heads and call it a day, the fast intake only outflows the LS6 by 10CFM and the LS6 will flow more than enough for stock heads so why spend all the money for no benefit.
If you have plans for future heads then that is surely understandable but it has been shown time and time again on dyno charts and all that the fast intake on the wrong set up looses power until about 6k over the LS6
there were no assumptions you posted this less than 24hrs ago, on page 2 of this thread
You tell me not to assume about your setup as far as having non-stock heads yet this is posted in this same thread
, besides I was just giving you **** from our other thread. The thing that bothers me is that so many people put on the fast intake with stock heads and call it a day, the fast intake only outflows the LS6 by 10CFM and the LS6 will flow more than enough for stock heads so why spend all the money for no benefit.If you have plans for future heads then that is surely understandable but it has been shown time and time again on dyno charts and all that the fast intake on the wrong set up looses power until about 6k over the LS6
10-08-2008, 04:56 PM
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now I just laugh and dont even bother posting.
10-08-2008, 05:00 PM
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I like it when I post the dyno chart showing the loss in power and they leave the thread in a hurry lol, I imagine they are out in the garage beating themselves in the nuts for wasting 1,000-1500$ ( intake and TB )
But I am starting to feel like you and stop trying to help people. Somehow the hype out does the numbers and research.
10-08-2008, 05:03 PM
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to me doing it all ONCE saves money. I pity I didnt do a fast intake but to me I was strapped for money and 1500 bucks for a intake and TB was pissing away my money compared to a sick set of heads (2500 trickflows). Doing cam only with intake, and then heads later ends up being MORE MONEY especially if your paying for labor. If your not it still more work taking it apart twice. Intake you can throw on at the END to finish the combo.
If you knew the mechanics aspect of it you would understand why. HEADS CAM need to be matched for optimum results. Then intake and exhaust. With all of those things in mind for eachother is when you see the results. 500rwhp 346.
not fast 95mm with 95mm, longtubes cam and LS1 heads LOL. Talk about a bottle neck and setup that will under achieve because of that.
If you knew the mechanics aspect of it you would understand why. HEADS CAM need to be matched for optimum results. Then intake and exhaust. With all of those things in mind for eachother is when you see the results. 500rwhp 346.
not fast 95mm with 95mm, longtubes cam and LS1 heads LOL. Talk about a bottle neck and setup that will under achieve because of that.
10-08-2008, 05:21 PM
#53
There are stock-headed, stock displacement LS1 F-bodies that have run 10.20s at over 130mph. They all ran big cams, FAST 90 intakes and had some really good bolt-ons. These cars would put most heads/cam cars to shame. I'd take a big cam and stock heads over stock cam and high flowing heads if mph was my goal. Those who say it's retarded, need to jump on the long bus.
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2013 Corvette Grand Sport A6 LME forged 416, Greg Good ported TFS 255 LS3 heads, 222/242 .629"/.604" 121LSA Pat G blower cam, ARH 1 7/8" headers, ESC Novi 1500 Supercharger w/8 rib direct drive conversion, 747rwhp/709rwtq on 93 octane, 801rwhp/735rwtq on race fuel, 10.1 @ 147.25mph 1/4 mile, 174.7mph Half Mile.
2016 Corvette Z51 M7 Magnuson Heartbeat 2300 supercharger, TSP LT headers, Pat G tuned, 667rwhp, 662rwtq, 191mph TX Mile.
2009.5 Pontiac G8 GT 6.0L, A6, AFR 230v2 heads. 506rwhp/442rwtq. 11.413 @ 121.29mph 1/4 mile, 168.7mph TX Mile
2000 Pewter Ram Air Trans Am M6 heads/cam 508 rwhp/445 rwtq SAE, 183.092 TX Mile
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