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Old 12-31-2009, 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by JL ws-6
That's interesting info. There's certainly some solid merit's to doing it that way, I'm somewhat surprised to hear all those motor's were done the same way.. that being said it obviously works.

I wonder... why noone's really pushing anything done in that fashion (aftermarket block manufacturer's)

Must be a reason, is it a cost only issue, or is there a downside to that? Regardless, it's always nice to see a different approach.
Just a guess, but after those 24 hour and other long duration races...I would say those engines are toast and get totally rebuilt. Just like every other type of all-out racing in the world.
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If the engine itself is toast and has linerless coated bores....remind me of how it can be rebuilt again?

Assumptions should take a back seat.
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Originally Posted by gectek
If the engine itself is toast and has linerless coated bores....remind me of how it can be rebuilt again?

Assumptions should take a back seat.
Coated bores hold up very well, even after 24 hours. But you are right. There comes a point on a linerless block where it needs to be bored and recoated. At that point the bore would be too big so the block is retired.
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That's awesome.
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At that point, can the block be sleeved with a typical iron sleeve?
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Originally Posted by JL ws-6
At that point, can the block be sleeved with a typical iron sleeve?
Yes, it can.
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Interesting. What do you guys do with the blocks when they're at that point.. when they need a sleeve. Do they get sold.. and if so, how much?

My thought is... maybe take one of those and send it to shawn @ va speed... have him sleeve it....

Take it to PM if need be.
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Originally Posted by JL ws-6
Interesting. What do you guys do with the blocks when they're at that point.. when they need a sleeve. Do they get sold.. and if so, how much?

My thought is... maybe take one of those and send it to shawn @ va speed... have him sleeve it....

Take it to PM if need be.
That's never happened before.
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why would you need a sleeve if it is LINERLESS. im sure there is a very good reason why they choose not to use one. remember....you do not have to ask what if if it will never happen
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Originally Posted by gectek
why would you need a sleeve if it is LINERLESS. im sure there is a very good reason why they choose not to use one. remember....you do not have to ask what if if it will never happen
He was asking what could be done if the cylinder was damaged, had to be bored out and became too thin to be usable.
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o i c. well still that does not seem like a fix to me really. in that application at least.
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Jason, what rod length are you using in this engine?
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Amazing man! congrats I wish I could drop That into my VMAX Silverado! That would definetaly give those diesel guys a run for thier money.
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coated bores are not a new technology. I have two 1979 Yamaha SRX 440 snowmobiles that have coated bores. The part that sucks is that if you do have an engine failure (had a few) and it nicks the wall the whole thing needs to be re plated. Cant just be rehoned
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It's certainly not new technology... but not something that you commonly see.

I'm interested in the finishing portin of the whole process. I am quite farmiliar with plating and how that works, I just wonder, what is done as far as finish machining on the plated surfaces. Plating is a neat technology... but has some limits. I doubt that when the liners are plated it's 100% consistant from one end to another, simply because that's the nature of the process.

PCB's for example, the outer edges always get plated more then the center of a backplane... for example.
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does the coating (plating) itself get a finish hone? That would keep it consistant no?
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Not sure, that's what I was wondering.
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Originally Posted by dbn
jason, what rod length are you using in this engine?
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Originally Posted by tektrans
does the coating (plating) itself get a finish hone? That would keep it consistant no?
Yes, it gets honed when finished. In our case we use the hot hone.
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Can you elaborate on the hot hone? I have heard of this before, but never got a good explanation as to how it works/what's different about the process.


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