Generation IV External Engine LS2 | LS3 | LS7 | L92 | Bolt-Ons | Intakes | Exhaust | Ignition | Accessories
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

LS2 Power Steering Pressure

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Apr 25, 2012 | 01:17 PM
  #1  
Alienlefty's Avatar
Thread Starter
Teching In
 
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 34
Likes: 0
From: Previously Michigan (90's) Florida (2000's) and Currently Somerset, England.
Default LS2 Power Steering Pressure

I am struggling with my LS2 into a 64 Corvette. I have a right hand drive 53-6430 steering rack and the stock as supplied with my crate LS2 pump. The first time I ran it, all the power steering fluid pumped out of the rack at the pinion input shaft. I have to assume I have blown the seal now, but how do I reduce the pump pressure so that the rack will live and function? I have spoken to Detroit Speed, but they don't even recognise the pump. Lots of people put LS2 motors in other cars. It just cannot be that difficult. Yet I am not able to find the answer anywhere.
Attached Thumbnails LS2 Power Steering Pressure-power-steering-0001.jpg   LS2 Power Steering Pressure-power-steering-0002.jpg   LS2 Power Steering Pressure-power-steering-0007.jpg   LS2 Power Steering Pressure-power-steering-0008.jpg   LS2 Power Steering Pressure-power-steering-0010.jpg  

Reply
Old Apr 25, 2012 | 08:13 PM
  #2  
S10xGN's Avatar
TECH Junkie
iTrader: (11)
 
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 3,782
Likes: 7
From: Port Neches, TX
Default

The pump output "mismatch" is not near enough to blow seals on startup. I'd be looking at the possibility that your lines are swapped. I had a mismatch with my swap, on startup (with the wheels off the ground) the steering wheel started jerking violently from lock to lock, but no blown seals. After installing a reducer, everything was fine. Check with Speedway, they have several different styles of the reducer. You will prolly need to know the exact size and/or make and model of the pump though...
Reply
Old Apr 26, 2012 | 02:49 AM
  #3  
Alienlefty's Avatar
Thread Starter
Teching In
 
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 34
Likes: 0
From: Previously Michigan (90's) Florida (2000's) and Currently Somerset, England.
Default

I got the violent jerking the first time I started it. I have tried swapping the lines, but I have to find a seal for the rack to stop it leaking. I actually don't know which of the holes into the rack is the high pressure line. It has M16 and M18 threaded inputs. Which is which?
Reply
Old Apr 26, 2012 | 10:24 AM
  #4  
All-In's Avatar
On The Tree
 
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 137
Likes: 0
From: Just because the voices aren't real, doesn't mean they're not right!
Default

Try contacting turnone-steering.com That is their specialty. Maybe they can help with your question. I know of some folks using their C5 Vette pumps and are very satisfied.
Reply
Old Apr 26, 2012 | 09:03 PM
  #5  
S10xGN's Avatar
TECH Junkie
iTrader: (11)
 
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 3,782
Likes: 7
From: Port Neches, TX
Default

Originally Posted by Alienlefty
I got the violent jerking the first time I started it. I have tried swapping the lines, but I have to find a seal for the rack to stop it leaking. I actually don't know which of the holes into the rack is the high pressure line. It has M16 and M18 threaded inputs. Which is which?
Here's a pic of mine taken by leaning over the fender. The cloth braided line (top, rear) is the return and the SS braid (bottom, forward) is the pressure feed. Keep in mind, this a LH drive...
Attached Thumbnails LS2 Power Steering Pressure-100_1793s.jpg  
Reply
Old Apr 27, 2012 | 02:16 AM
  #6  
Alienlefty's Avatar
Thread Starter
Teching In
 
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 34
Likes: 0
From: Previously Michigan (90's) Florida (2000's) and Currently Somerset, England.
Default

How did you get those blue thread adapters to seal into the rack? I have the same type of connectors, but because normally you need an o ring, and they don't have one, I used a copper washer. I have not driven the car yet, so I don't know if they will work.
Reply
Old Apr 27, 2012 | 08:11 PM
  #7  
S10xGN's Avatar
TECH Junkie
iTrader: (11)
 
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 3,782
Likes: 7
From: Port Neches, TX
Default

Originally Posted by Alienlefty
How did you get those blue thread adapters to seal into the rack? I have the same type of connectors, but because normally you need an o ring, and they don't have one, I used a copper washer. I have not driven the car yet, so I don't know if they will work.
It's been awhile... Seems like the LP port had a nylon washer and the HP port had either a copper washer or a rubber o-ring inside it (like a Saginaw fitting).

Reply
Old Apr 28, 2012 | 07:24 AM
  #8  
Alienlefty's Avatar
Thread Starter
Teching In
 
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 34
Likes: 0
From: Previously Michigan (90's) Florida (2000's) and Currently Somerset, England.
Default

I have spoken to a couple of companies that sell pressure reducers. Unfortunately the Toyoda pump that I have seems to be the one no one currently has a reducer for. And if they can't sell you something, then generally they don't want to help you. So I have taken the reducer out of my pump for a look. I am trying to work out what I have to do to modify this unit to get what I need. I feel there are 2 issues. High pressure, and high flow. To reduce the flow, I think I need to restrict the orifice. Just like re jetting a carburettor. But to reduce the pressure, do I cut the spring and make it shorter? Is the higher spring pressure forcing more pressure down the line? I have read hints of people doing that, but nothing definitive.
Attached Thumbnails LS2 Power Steering Pressure-corvette-steering-rack-pump-0005.jpg  
Reply
LS1 Tech Stories

The Best V8 Stories One Small Block at Time

story-0

6 Gifts Neither Your Dad Nor Grad Will Shove Into the 'Trinket Drawer'

 Brett Foote
story-1

Topdon ONE vs. Artidiag 800 BT2: Which is the Diagnostic Tablet For You?

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-2

Gas Monkey Built a 6-Wheel Ferrari Testarossa With a Corvette LT4 Engine

 Verdad Gallardo
story-3

7 Most Reliable High-Performance Engines GM Has Ever Built

 Verdad Gallardo
story-4

Amazing '71 Camaro Restomod Is Modern Muscle Car Under the Skin

 Verdad Gallardo
story-5

6 Common C5 Corvette Failures and What's Involved In Repairing Them

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-6

Retro Modern Bandit Pontiac Trans AM Comes With Burt Reynolds' Autograph

 Verdad Gallardo
story-7

Top 10 Greatest Cadillac V Series Performance Models Ever, Ranked

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-8

Top 10 Most Powerful Chevy Trucks Ever Made!

 
story-9

Hennessey's New Supercharged Silverado ZR2 Has 700 HP

 Verdad Gallardo
Old Apr 28, 2012 | 07:28 PM
  #9  
S10xGN's Avatar
TECH Junkie
iTrader: (11)
 
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 3,782
Likes: 7
From: Port Neches, TX
Default

There was a post here several months back with a link to an article on a 4x4 site (pirate something?) that covered modding these fittings in general. You might try searching back 6 months on that and/or reducer or restrictor...
Reply
Old May 4, 2012 | 02:22 AM
  #10  
Alienlefty's Avatar
Thread Starter
Teching In
 
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 34
Likes: 0
From: Previously Michigan (90's) Florida (2000's) and Currently Somerset, England.
Default

Well, I have had some success at last. I found a supplier in the UK that could match my seal. I made a reinforcement plate to put on top of it to give it some extra support. Having tried to speak to a couple of US based steering specialists, I was not getting a lot of information out of them. The UK supplier said that if I just reduced the hole in the restrictor, the pressure would still build up in the rack under certain circumstances and likely blow my seal again. So I decided to take the plunge and modify my pump. I only modified the restrictor, spring and piston. I made a plug to reduce the restrictor hole from 3.5mm to 2.5mm. This effectively cuts the cross sectional area in half. Then I cut about one and a half coils off of the spring and flattened the end of the spring so it would sit right in the hole. I also ground two little grooves on the outside diameter of the piston. I would have drilled a hole in it, but it is hardened. This is probably the most controversial bit, but I felt that I needed to let some of the pressure bleed back into the pump at all engine speeds.
I put everything back together and fired it up, added fluid and so far no leaks. The steering is lumpy at idle, but seems to be fine as soon as I raise the rpm a little. I have only manoeuvred around driveway so far as the car isn't street legal yet, but it does seem to be working. If it was not so difficult to disassemble the pump (getting the pulley off is hard) I would have done it in smaller stages, but for now I am satisfied that I can get the car in for it's MOT.
As soon as I had finished, I got an email from turn one telling me to reduce the restrictor by the same amount as I did, but don't cut the spring. This was in response to questions I had asked them, but they gave me no further explanation. So Worst case is I have to drive the car initially with lumpy steering at idle until I have the rest of it sorted and can decide then if I need to readdress the steering.
Reply
Old May 5, 2012 | 01:26 AM
  #11  
Beejis60's Avatar
Teching In
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 29
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by S10xGN
There was a post here several months back with a link to an article on a 4x4 site (pirate something?) that covered modding these fittings in general. You might try searching back 6 months on that and/or reducer or restrictor...
Pirate 4x4 is the forum.
But for the most part, a lot of people bitch about slow seepage/weeping of PS fluid coming off the high pressue rack fitting when using an AN conversion. The only way I've seen this to be avoided is the welding on of an AN bung like some dude in Spain did (Nino something).
As for people running these AN conversions, do you find an extra bit of sloppiness in the steering since you're losing a lot of restriction by running a larger-than-OEM line? I've not actually done this conversion yet, but will be within a few months and this is a huge concern of mine.
Reply
Old May 5, 2012 | 05:44 AM
  #12  
Alienlefty's Avatar
Thread Starter
Teching In
 
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 34
Likes: 0
From: Previously Michigan (90's) Florida (2000's) and Currently Somerset, England.
Default

I have never driven the car, so I don't have anything to compare it with. This is a custom build and I am trying to sort out the teething problems so I can get an MOT test (government annual safety test).
Reply
Old May 5, 2012 | 08:53 PM
  #13  
S10xGN's Avatar
TECH Junkie
iTrader: (11)
 
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 3,782
Likes: 7
From: Port Neches, TX
Default

Originally Posted by Beejis60
Pirate 4x4 is the forum.
But for the most part, a lot of people bitch about slow seepage/weeping of PS fluid coming off the high pressue rack fitting when using an AN conversion. The only way I've seen this to be avoided is the welding on of an AN bung like some dude in Spain did (Nino something).
As for people running these AN conversions, do you find an extra bit of sloppiness in the steering since you're losing a lot of restriction by running a larger-than-OEM line? I've not actually done this conversion yet, but will be within a few months and this is a huge concern of mine.
Hmmm, no leaks here. Guess I'm the lucky one!
Reply




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:58 AM.

story-0
6 Gifts Neither Your Dad Nor Grad Will Shove Into the 'Trinket Drawer'

Don't get dad new socks or a grill brush this year.

By Brett Foote | 2026-06-04 18:13:20


VIEW MORE
story-1
Topdon ONE vs. Artidiag 800 BT2: Which is the Diagnostic Tablet For You?

Slideshow: We take a close look at the ONE and Artidiag 800BT2 diagnostic tools from Topdon and the reasons to buy one over the other.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-05-28 11:05:11


VIEW MORE
story-2
Gas Monkey Built a 6-Wheel Ferrari Testarossa With a Corvette LT4 Engine

Slideshow: The controversial Ferrari F6 swaps its original flat-12 for a Corvette Z06-derived LT4 V8 and sends power to four rear wheels through a custom-built drivetrain.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-26 18:23:54


VIEW MORE
story-3
7 Most Reliable High-Performance Engines GM Has Ever Built

Slideshow:These GM engines didn't just make huge power, they survived abuse, boost, track days, and six-digit mileage with a reputation for refusing to quit.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-21 16:45:27


VIEW MORE
story-4
Amazing '71 Camaro Restomod Is Modern Muscle Car Under the Skin

Slideshow: This heavily modified 1971 Camaro mixes classic muscle car styling with a fifth-generation Camaro interior and modern LS3 power.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-12 18:06:42


VIEW MORE
story-5
6 Common C5 Corvette Failures and What's Involved In Repairing Them

Slideshow: From wobbling harmonic balancers to failed EBCMs, these are the issues that define long-term C5 ownership and what repairs typically involve.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-05-07 18:44:57


VIEW MORE
story-6
Retro Modern Bandit Pontiac Trans AM Comes With Burt Reynolds' Autograph

Slideshow: A modern Camaro transformed into a retro icon, this limited-run "Bandit" build blends nostalgia with brute force in a way few revivals manage.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-21 13:57:02


VIEW MORE
story-7
Top 10 Greatest Cadillac V Series Performance Models Ever, Ranked

Slideshow: Cadillac didn't just crash the high-performance luxury vehicle party, it showed up loud, supercharged, and occasionally a little unhinged...

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-04-16 10:05:15


VIEW MORE
story-8
Top 10 Most Powerful Chevy Trucks Ever Made!

Slideshow: Top ten most powerful Chevy trucks ever made

By | 2026-03-25 09:22:26


VIEW MORE
story-9
Hennessey's New Supercharged Silverado ZR2 Has 700 HP

Slideshow: Hennessey has turned the Silverado ZR2 into a 700-hp off-road monster with supercharged V8 power and a limited production run.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-24 18:57:52


VIEW MORE